[ben_w]

Hawking Radiation, in its original form, did not allow anyone to learn the quantum information about what went into the black hole — if it was made entirely of photons; or entirely of antimatter; or made of any mix of photons, normal matter, and antimatter… all would be indistinguishable.

What’s news is that it isn’t all lost, that the starting state has any influence at all on what comes out. I am only an enthusiastic amateur at this, but I get the impression this is as surprising as the discovery of Hawking Radiation in the first place.

[cyphar]

> but I get the impression this is as surprising as the discovery of Hawking Radiation in the first place

It should be noted that we have yet to experimentally observe Hawking radiation (it is so low-power we don't have the means to observe it). People talk about Hawking radiation as though it is a discovered phenomena -- it isn't. It's a prediction based on our understanding of quantum mechanics and some thinking about how it interacts with event horizons -- and observing it would help reinforce our understanding of the underlying theories.

[Sharlin]

Indeed no existing stellar-mass-or-above black hole is a net emitter of radiation in the current cosmological era. They swallow cosmic microwave background photons at a much higher rate than they emit Hawking radiation and thus grow slowly even if infalling matter is not present. Indeed, they're the best heat sinks in existence. The universe will be billions of times its current age before the CMB has redshifted enough to become cooler than black holes.

Hypothetical primordial blackholes [1] could be much smaller and hotter, and indeed Hawking radiation could provide one way to detect those that have survived to present day, but as of now none have been found.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_black_hole

[raattgift]

ETA: I don't think we disagree at all. I slightly misread your second sentence before hitting "reply". I'll keep this reply in place because I think it amplifies and adds to your point.

Hawking radiation is always present around a dynamical black hole -- it is produced by the dynamical spacetime itself[1]. (All black holes that aren't eternal -- that includes any that form by gravitational collapse of matter -- are dynamical, and thus have Hawking radiation, even while they're growing.)

In principle we should be able to detect Hawking radiation as black holes first form, since it will backreact with the black hole, and probably even interact with the collapsing matter. Studying BH-forming supernovae and the like will lead to discoveries in this difficult area of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiclassical_gravity as hot Hawking radiation is in principle directly observable, and there will be indirect traces.

The problem is that BH formation typically happens in a bright environment. The candidate black holes we know about aren't that young and as a result the Hawking gas will be cold enough to have negligible impact: basically no interaction with nearby matter, basically no backreaction on the black hole itself, and much colder than the surrounding environment (infalling matter including the CMB gas) and thus in practice impossible to detect directly with telescopes.

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[1] Well, more precisely, given Einstein-Maxwell electrovacuum and general relativity with a black hole metric, Hawking radiation is inevitable. Hawking's original work dealt with a static spacetime (i.e., an eternal, unchanging black hole) and used negative energy quanta as a trick to proxy for a dynamic spacetime. Using a dynamical black hole (i.e., one that grows and shrinks), one does not need negative energy quanta at all, much less a mechanism which tosses only those halves of pairs into the BH (in order to keep the metric unchanged from pure static Schwarzschild).

[Sharlin]

> The problem is that BH formation typically happens in a bright environment.

That must be the understatement of the week. Love it! I guess observations of failed supernovae and possible direct-collapse black holes could shed some light (hah!) on the matter.

[thx4allthestuff]

I really want to shout out “infinity billion” right now, but I’m not going to do that because it would be childish and silly. (strains)