[shaklee3]

You're confusing sensor size for the algorithm again. The Huawei sensor is twice as large as the pixel 2, which is why both cameras without night mode on has a vast improvement in the p20. It's also why the improvement by turning night mode on in the p20 is not as great of a leap as on the pixel.

[endorphone]

Incredible.

Did you actually watch the video?

The P20 Pro does exactly what this new night mode does, albeit did it months ago. It does image stacking (which is not a new approach). In direct comparison testing -- in that video -- it yields better results.

This whole discussion has just been an bizarre.

[shaklee3]

There's really no point in continuing this since I don't think you understand what the size of the camera sensor does in low light. I was simply pointing out, over and over, that it is not the same feature Huawei had. Just like you can't take a $50 point and shoot with extremely complex software that took the same image quality as a $5000 Nikon, and say that "this technology exists". Huawei has better camera hardware in almost every dimension you can imagine, and more than half the pictures in the video you sent are worse on the Huawei, despite those advantages. I did not say that Huawei can't take any pictures that are better than the Pixel. I said it's not the same technology, and dismissing this as "it's already been done" is ludicrous. If the Pixel 2 had the same hardware as the P20 the results would be even more impressive.

[endorphone]

Dear god. Incredible.

You are completely and utterly wrong. Yet you continue. Amazing.

And you're not the first to distract with claims that it is someone else's ignorance.

The P20 Pro does image stacking. Period. That is exactly what this new Pixel mode does. In actual results the P20 Pro is better.

[bscphil]

>That is exactly what this new Pixel mode does. In actual results the P20 Pro is better.

I'm not the person you've been talking to, but I don't think I'd agree with that statement. To take the video you linked earlier for example, the Pixel frequently gives better results. For example, this one shot https://youtu.be/wBKHnKkNSyw?t=227

Note that the Pixel 2 has a much smaller sensor, and the exposure time on the P20 is 18 times longer, and yet the Pixel generates a much better sharper image. What you're saying is correct, that the P20 is using some very advanced image stabilization to get results that good from 6 seconds of data, but the Pixel seems to clearly offer more advanced software.

[endorphone]

The example shot you gave is clearly better on the P20. Also the P20 has a slightly larger sensor.

Further, you're reading entirely too much into the exposure times. They are artificial and either camera software can choose to put whatever number they want in there. The aggregate time. The average time. The theoretical equivalent time. Etc. It is not the actual times.

[shaklee3]

No, it's not better. The P20 is over-exposed, causing the colors to be off. The level of detail is equivalent, but the colors on the P20 are the worse. And no, it's not slightly larger. The sensor is TWICE as large in area as the pixel 2.

I took actual photos with the pixel 2, and I know the actual time taken. It's less than 3 seconds every time. By all accounts and reviews I've seen, the P20 is 10-25 seconds. Show me a review saying otherwise.

[shaklee3]

Thanks for explaining this clearly.

[shaklee3]

At some point, when you realize literally everyone in the thread disagrees with you, you have to wonder where you went wrong. No?

[endorphone]

Incredibly another person basically says that you're wrong (adding their own misinformation into this), and you still claim rightness.

This thread is dominated by Pixel...fanboys and Googlers. You can be as wrong as you like, it doesn't really bother me. But your bull headedness about your absolute wrongness is simply spectacular.