[trhway]

>Why are we still talking about Level 5 autonomous driving when we can't even get Level 4 working properly? I believe this is sending the wrong message.

i think it is capability gap between tech companies and car companies. Car companies can't even get cameras around all the body to avoid accidental scratches during parking. Where is tech companies, while could easily do a lot of car tech, have no business case doing anything less than Level 5 - the Level 5 is a tech platform where is anything less is an advanced car, and the tech companies are in the platform business, not car business.

[alehul]

Uber and Tesla are dead last in self-driving tech, beaten by everyone from Hyundai to Baidu-BAIC. I don't know where you get the idea that "car companies can't even get cameras all around the body to avoid accidental scratches." The leaders of the industry are Daimler-Bosch, GM, Waymo, Volkswagen, Ford, Aptiv, and BMW-Intel-FCA. Mostly car companies.

[edshiro]

Traditional car companies are also working on autonomous vehicles.

There is a lot of business to be had with Level 4. While the car may not be able to go everywhere, in restricted areas a robot-taxi/shuttle service would be a great advancement. We would all love to be at Level 5 but I would take a solid Level 4 in a few years instead of waiting much much longer for a viable Level 5 solution.

[blattimwind]

> Car companies can't even get cameras around all the body to avoid accidental scratches during parking.

This has been a feature introduced by most car companies in the last ten or so years.

By the way, I don't think any Tesla car has this.