[sievebrain]

Ad hominem would be if I tried to dismiss an argument with an unrelated attack on someone's personality. In this case I'm not even talking about their personalities or making unrelated accusations, just reporting what happened. Reporting their stories in their own words can't possibly be ad hominem and I'm not even accusing them of lying - they clearly told me what really happened, that's how I'm so sure they were never in danger.

I'm well aware of what self reported crime stats say but my entire thesis in this thread is that women routinely make wildly exaggerated claims so why would surveys of what they think change my mind? A huge disparity between self reports and actual criminal cases is exactly what I'd expect to see