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by zaroth 2805 days ago
I think it’s one thing if you can spoof an input remotely and one hostile actor can target many vehicles simultaneously.

But if we can be certain based on the physics of the system that we are talking to the car in front of us, the fact is, there’s plenty of ways you can commit vehicular homicide today, and V2V doesn’t seem like a particularly “worse” way, and frankly, one of the most traceable ways you could probably try to hurt someone.

So while certainly you need to defend against broken and malfunctioning input, I’m not quite convinced the malicious input is actually a case that needs to be specifically defended against.

The vehicle will have a “flight envelope” based on its own local sensors and rules just like modern aircraft that don’t allow even bad inputs to stall the plane. The inputs from V2V would not let you leave the envelope any more than the autopilot inputs would. I believe the steering wheel would still be allowed to exceed the envelope, for as long as there is a steering wheel.

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I think vehicular homicide is a lot less likely than pranks (causing traffic jams, etc.), or people trying to game the system so that they always get to pass through intersections without stopping.

However, intentionally causing injury isn't something that should be ruled out, either. It's only "traceable" if someone is sending the signal from their own car, registered under their real name. If someone pulls the transmitter from a junked car (or build their own, etc.), they could e.g. conceal it near an intersection, wait a day or two, and trigger it remotely, or attach it to the underside of someone else's vehicle, etc.

Someone could also jam the signals to potentially cause everything to stop working.

I'm with the crowd that thinks this is an inherently bad idea. The data is entirely untrusted, which makes it essentially useless for determining anything other than "there seems to be a radio transmitter at a particular location", and that's only if there are enough sensors to triangulate signal sources accurately.