[threeseed]

GM/Honda are partnering with Cruise. Fiat are partnering with Waymo.

Everyone is partnering with someone or organising supply deals. And everyone other than Tesla uses LIDAR.

Also I never said these cars were being sold today.

[toomuchtodo]

> Also I never said these cars were being sold today.

Then you're moving the goal posts. Tesla is selling cars today to people that they are (EDIT) targeting support of full autonomy, or have their hardware swapped to do so. Everything else is an experiment in a lab or on a track.

[dragonwriter]

> Tesla is selling cars today to people that will eventually support full autonomy, or have their hardware swapped to do so.

Well, Tesla claims that. It's quite possible that neither will happen.

[threeseed]

Some of us think that Tesla's technology is an experiment.

An incredibly dangerous one.

[toomuchtodo]

Federal regulators do not agree with your assessment.

https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/automobiles/315133...

> Federal regulators "did not identify any defects" in Tesla's autopilot feature after a lengthy investigation of the technology, officials announced Thursday.

> A six-month investigation failed to uncover any flaws with the autopilot's emergency breaking technology and other advanced features linked to a deadly accident last year, according to a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) report released Thursday.

> "NHTSA’s examination did not identify any defects in design or performance of the AEB or Autopilot systems of the subject vehicles nor any incidents in which the systems did not perform as designed," the NHTSA report said.

[mtgx]

Sounds dubious. They seem to be focused on Autopilot working as intended. What if that is far from good enough?