[trustmath]

> What I find interesting in your last paragraph is that you, yourself, seem to make the distinction between reality and mathematics, which would indicate, at least to me, that you recognise that it is but a tool created for a use and not something that had a pre-existence that we could discover.

No, I continue to express uncertainty and doubt concerning the origin of math. If math is the ground for some people, math does not have an origin. Math is the origin.

I understand that may be a very difficult paradigm to think with if you are not used to thinking in that framework, but I am like that. Math, ground. Reality is defined by math. We may be incorrect in the translation, but that's a work in progress. Math that comes from reality is math that is incomplete.

I can't give you a question that yields a satisfactory answer until it does.

[oldandtired]

Fair enough.

[trustmath]

Thank you, that means a lot.