[ddeck]

Some facts:

Hull loss rates by region of operator per million departures (Jet / Turboprop) 2012-2016: [0]

- 2.21 / 7.38 Africa

- 1.17 / 20.59 CIS

- 0.74 / 3.42 Middle East / North Africa

- 0.53 / 1.55 Latin America / Caribbean

- 0.48 / 1.45 Asia Pacific

- 0.22 / 0.98 North America

- 0.14 / 0.73 Europe

- 0.00 / 8.73 North Asia

India falls below Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan in air safety audit[1]

>The audit — ICAO Universal Safety Oversight Audit Programme — seeks to identify if countries have effectively and consistently implemented the critical elements of a safety-oversight system.

>India is one of the 15 countries that are below the minimum target rates.

[0] https://www.iata.org/pressroom/pr/Pages/2018-02-22-01.aspx

[1] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation...

[sangnoir]

I appreciate the hull-loss facts, but do they directly support "pilot incompetence"? I've read enough NTSB reports to know it's usually multiple congruent factors (aircraft maintenance, organisational culture, pilot work-load).

[Xylakant]

“extreme incompetence exists in the airline world” does not equal “pilot incompetence” but would rather include aircraft maintenance, organizational culture, ... So the facts support the statement perfectly well.

[throw2016]

This is highly misleading and deceptive. You are mixing up the headline and data from link 2 which is mainly focused on which government agency licenses ATCs as the reason for lower scores, to the IATA hull loss data from link 1 which does not single out any country or region for below 'minimum safety target rates'.

This is the IATA data for hull loss rates for 2017 per million departures:

Asia Pacific - 0.18

CIS - 0.92

Europe - 0.13

Latin America and the Caribbean - 0.41

Middle East and North Africa - ​​0.00

North America - 0.00

The second link does not mention or link to anything about hull loss, safety issues, aircraft, training but talks about lower ranking due to ATC licensing by government agencies.

[ddeck]

These are two independent data points.

The first is the bulk loss stats.

The second is an article discussing India's poor audit results in the ICAO safety audit, per the quote above the link and sourced to it.

I'm not sure how you can claim that the second link doesn't "link to anything about hull loss, safety issues, aircraft, training". It is the result of an independent safety audit by the ICAO, which encompasses licensing, operations, airworthiness, and a number of other categories[0].

[0] https://www.icao.int/safety/pages/usoap-results.aspx

[azernik]

For uncommon events like aircraft hull losses, I very much prefer the larger sample size of a few years, even if it does put the data slightly out of date. Though note - the IATA there notes that 2017 indicates a recent (last-few-years) trend of increased safety in sub-Saharan Africa.

GP poster was quite clear that the two pieces of data were from different sources, and the five-year data shows clear trends (though with