[leetcrew]

> Knowing that there will likely be immediate physical consequences for inflammatory speech is a great way to limit that kind of behavior.

it's also a great way to limit unpopular political speech and marginalized people taking up public space. "gay bashing", for example, is still a thing that happens to some of my friends.

unless we can count on people to only administer beatings to the right folks, i don't really see how you can have it both ways.

[krapp]

>it's also a great way to limit unpopular political speech and marginalized people taking up public space.

It's also a great way to defend unpopular political speech and marginalized people. The civil rights and gay rights movements used the same means of inflicting social and physical consequences against the status quo that its defenders used to defend it.

Speech doesn't exist in a vacuum completely separate from the universe of physical consequence, it never has.

[x220]

No, the civil rights movement almost always was at the mercy of those willing to commit violence and kick people out of businesses. Your ideas about how people can kick you out of businesses and punch you if they don't like what you're saying benefit only those with power.

[krapp]

>Your ideas about how people can kick you out of businesses and punch you if they don't like what you're saying benefit only those with power.

They're not my ideas, and they don't benefit only those in power. If that were true, no protest, union or revolutionary movement of any kind would ever have been successful. The paradox of tolerance[0] is a real thing.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance