[sol_remmy]

> And that's where hands come up empty.

Maybe anti-male sexism prevalent in the health care and education fields is causing women to prefer those fields.

Fix the sexism in health care/education. Elementary teachers should be 50% men. Nurses should be 50% men. Instead those fields are 90%(!) women! That is a HUGE level of bias and discrimination

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Possibility 1: Female-dominated fields discriminate against men.

Possibility 2: Those fields are female-dominated because they can't get into male-dominated fields.

So what do the pay and prestige look like for female fields, vs male fields? Well, take medical. Nurses (low prestige, low pay) are >90% female. Doctors (high prestige, high pay) are about 70% male.

This suggests to me that there's indeed a huge level of bias and discrimination, but not in the way you think.

[sol_remmy]

Possibility 1: Male-dominated fields discriminate against females.

Possibility 2: Those fields are male-dominated because they can't get into female-dominated fields.

Men do not work as teachers because the media has painted men as "sex crazed". Most mothers would be uncomfortable with having a male 4th grade teacher for their daughter.

Many women would be uncomfortable having a male gynecologist or a male nurse helping them deliver their baby.

> Doctors (high prestige, high pay) are about 70% male.

Sorry but this breaks your narrative: 60% of new MDs each year are female. However: female MDs are more likely to quit the profession or go part time in order to raise kids. Again, this might show anti-male discrimination because it is not socially acceptable for male doctors to quit work to stay home with the kids.

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The above suggests to me that there's indeed a huge level of bias and discrimination, but not in the way you think.

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You have a number of issues with your narrative. "Quit the profession or go part time in order to raise kids". So what other reasons do women have for quitting the profession, other than because men are too victimized to be stay at home dads?

-- edit: fwiw, I googled stats. According to the American Association of Medical Colleges, 2017 was the first year ever that female medical school enrollment was greater than male medical school enrollment. I also went to graduation by year as far back as 2002, and it has always been more men than women. So yeah, your statistics are bullshit. Care to offer a source? --

And mind you, being a stay at home parent is considered a low-prestige, low-pay role. To the extent that it's discouraged for men, that's a result of a sexism that puts men in a dominant role and demeans them for doing "women's work".

The idea that men aren't teachers because the media paints them as sex-crazed is absurd. The gender disproportion of teachers existed long before the media mentioned such things at all. And you offer no evidence whatsoever for the assertion.

[sol_remmy]

> Men do not work as teachers because the media has painted men as "sex crazed". Most mothers would be uncomfortable with having a male 4th grade teacher for their daughter.

> Many women would be uncomfortable having a male gynecologist or a male nurse helping them deliver their baby.

And what is your opinion of the above bit of my previous post (since you avoided that in your answer?)

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My opinion is it's not worth deigning to answer.

[darkerside]

The way you're ranking occupations has an implicit bias. Let's rank them for work/life balance. Nurses are busy and work long hours, but when the work day is over, they go home until the next shift. Doctors go home, and possibly get paged to come right back.

Is it possible men and women weight values differently when selecting occupations?

[sheepmullet]

> So what do the pay and prestige look like for female fields, vs male fields?

What is the payoff for pay and prestige and is it the same between genders?

I think the overwhelming evidence suggests it is not the same and that women value different things than men.