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by cronz 2803 days ago
First, what makes you think there could have been other wars?

Second, do you really think that the solution that was given in the Balkans is good? Even today, many people are deeply unhappy about it.

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> Second, do you really think that the solution that was given in the Balkans is good? Even today, many people are deeply unhappy about it.

If all sides are a bit unhappy it probably was a very good compromise.

Europe has a long history of warfare that seemed to have halted around the NATO. I think the presence of a strong military alliance and the presence of peace have a high probability of being connected.
A strong external military force, along with the devastation of European countries with global ambitions in WWII (UK, French, Germany, and co), means there were neither resources nor reason for war in Europe for most of the 20th century. Heck, for most of that time Germany was still split in two.

USSRs occupation of the other half also kept "peace" there (and in conflict between the two sides would have escalated to a full global war, which was in nobody's interest).

Yugoslavia for example was only a state because the different nations were kept under the same rule. When that rule was gone, 60 years of "living together" didn't do anything to prevent ethnic tensions.

How things shape in 10 or 20 years is anybody's guess.

> there were neither resources nor reason for war in Europe for most of the 20th century

The ambitions of the USSR were a reason for war and they had plenty of military resources.

>The ambitions of the USSR were a reason for war and they had plenty of military resources.

Actually history has shown that they didn't.

Sorry, I've lost the thread of the argument.

The original claim was that "NATO has probably done just as much to insure peace inside it's countries as the EU has.". The counterpoint was that the Balkan wars invalidated this claim. My response was that a single war in 70 years is hardly evidence against the original claim.

What's your line of argument here?

>Sorry, I've lost the thread of the argument.

I didn't respond to the "thread of the argument" above, I responded directly to the smaller point made in your comment.

My point regarding the whole argument is in my longer comment above.

They had all the resources to wreak havoc, occupy and keep hundreds of millions in factory-feudalism. They would have drafted half the world to wage their wars if necessary.
> what makes you think there could have been other wars?

Military buildup in Europe during 1945-1991, the vast scale of which dwarfs anything ever seen on planet earth.

That's an intense exaggeration. The military deployment in Europe during WW2 was drastically beyond anything that existed during the Cold War. The US had 16 million people that served in the armed forces during WW2. Roughly more Americans died fighting that war, than were stationed in Europe during the Cold War at a given time (average was about 330k from 1950 to 1990).

The military deployments in Asia from 1930-1945 were larger than anything Europe saw from 1945-1991, by several fold. China alone had roughly four million soldiers active at the end of WW2. Japan had millions of soldiers and civilians stationed in China at the time they surrendered.

About ten million military personnel died in WW1. That one point alone puts to shame the scale of the Cold War. The US, Russia, British Empire, France, Italy mobilized nearly 40 million military forces during WW1. The Cold War was tiny by comparison. France by itself had 1.3 million soldiers killed. Russia had five million wounded soldiers. Including the two sides, over 60 million military personnel were involved in WW1.

Thank you for tempering my overreaction to cronz's question. It seems I couldn't respond to the question "what makes you think there could have been other wars?" without exaggerating to make my point.