[sbradford26]

Oh definitely, so there are plenty of other electric car charging stations. The issue though is that there is no uniform paying experience and also you don't know what kind of charging speed you will get. I have been looking at the new Hyundai Kona Electric and the Kia niro EV which are both competitively priced.... But you don't have the super charger network which might be a deal breaker.

[mikestew]

The issue though is that there is no uniform paying experience

I grab the appropriate card of the two (Blink and ChargePoint) in the console, tap it, sorted.

But you don't have the super charger network which might be a deal breaker.

In seven years of Nissan Leaf ownership, I’d bet i could count the number of times I’ve used a public charger on both hands. Electric’s aren’t like ICE where you’re always looking for a place to fill up. You fill up at home, like civilized people do. Super charger is nice, but I personally wouldn’t factor it in.

[drewg123]

The supercharger network is one of the main reasons I bought a Tesla, rather than a competing car like a Leaf or a Bolt. Without the Supercharger network, road-trips become charge-seeking adventures. I recall reading a story about somebody who drove their Bolt across a few states, and how they had to stop for hours at Chevy dealers, and scrounge charging wherever they can. With my Tesla, I stop for 30-45min every few hours while I get a snack and use the restroom.

Until there is a widespread, standard high speed charging network available, Tesla is basically the only choice for an EV that can do road trips.

[semi-extrinsic]

"Infrequently-used feature Z is why I bought the $80k car instead of the $40k car."

Really? Unless you do road trips every week, you'd be way better off buying the Bolt or Leaf and then renting an ICE for whenever you go on a road trip.

[brianwawok]

My minivan is a road trip machine. Until we have EV minivans, my electric car would be in region only. Further trip is to a nearby airport.

Maybe if I replace my minivan with an EV minivan I would care.

[sbradford26]

Oh definitely, the charging at in my garage is a main reason that I would like an EV. My issue is that my family lives in Michigan while I am in upstate NY. So the super charger stations would be super useful for that trip when I don't fly. That definitely is a small amount of my total travels but I only have one car, so it is a consideration.

Also it is good to hear that it only takes about two cards for charging. It is something that you think about but can't really test how it would work with your driving until you do it.

[Symbiote]

An irrelevant question:

Do drive through Canada, or is it too much hassle?

(I live in Europe; within most of the EU a national border is irrelevant to planning a route – there is no check, just a blue sign "Welcome to XYZ". When I visited Quebec, I couldn't drive with the rental car to the USA, so I never saw the border.)

[mikestew]

If your question is not directed specifically at OP, and is "if you live close to the US/Canadian border...", I can answer since OP hasn't. Being a few hours from the border in WA state, we don't think a thing about crossing the border. It takes time (an hour or more, depending), and as a U. S. citizen I find it ironic that coming back is often more hassle than leaving, but we otherwise don't think much about it except for the time needed.

[joeyramone]

I can imagine you never took a long road trip (say 600+ miles) with your Leaf. Then you'll understand the value of a fast charging network like Tesla has.

[linsomniac]

Agreed. I worried after I got my Tesla 2 years ago that it would just be a toy, only usable for short range trips. But 2 weeks after we got it we went on a 2,300 mile each way road trip, and it worked great. I was sold on the super charger turning the car into a truly useful thing instead of just a toy. And the new ~3.5x faster chargers are going to make it a gas-like experience.

[mikestew]

You would imagine correctly.

Then you'll understand the value of a fast charging network like Tesla has.

I understand the value just fine. And for me, it's not very high; certainly not high enough to pay more than double for the car (had Model S's even existed when the Leaf was purchased).

[greglindahl]

So, basically, you're saying that the supercharger network has no value for anyone because you own a Leaf?

No wonder Tesla-related threads on HN are such high value.

Next up: guy complaining that electric cars will never succeed because he lives in an apartment and can't currently charge at home.

[mikestew]

So, basically, you're saying that the supercharger network has no value for anyone because you own a Leaf?

I can’t begin to imagine the mental confusion necessary to lead you to that conclusion. To be clear, no, that’s not what I said at all.

[greglindahl]

Cool. I'll just remain confused. Thanks.