[matwood]

Getting up early is a sign of discipline, but it's only a start. It's a mentality of going after every day with a sense of urgency.

Obviously not everyone can become billionaires, but most people can better themselves by adding more discipline to their lives.

[randomsearch]

Getting up early - before you’ve had a full sleep window - is a sign of idiocy, not discipline. Those people are damaging their health and will underperform at work, even if they don’t realise it.

Read “why we sleep”.

[matwood]

Where did I say not to get enough sleep?

[foobarian]

Getting up early is not a sign of discipline, going to bed early is. Getting up early after having slept 9 hours is easy.

[tomnipotent]

> Getting up early is not a sign of discipline

Yes it is. Ask any engineering manager.

[Broken_Hippo]

I'm pretty sure a few of those wake early simply because it is expected, not because of discipline. They aren't the only ones that have discipline either.

[tomnipotent]

Did anyone bother to read the definition?

  1. verb "train (someone) to obey rules or a code of behavior, using punishment to correct disobedience."

  2. noun "the practice of training people to obey rules or a code of behavior, using punishment to correct disobedience."

So yes, having to wake up to make it to a job at a certain time or else you get in trouble is actually the very definition of discipline.

If people on my team are constantly getting to work late and I have to talk to them to come in early, I've disciplined them and they now change their behavior because of it (come in earlier).

How weird is it?

[Broken_Hippo]

You don't gain discipline by waking up earlier than necessary. If you don't need to be at work until noon, waking up at 5am doesn't add discipline to your life. Waking in time to go to work is discipline, but if you don't need to be at work until 9am, there is no need to wake any earlier than it takes you to get to work on time. Waking early for the sake of waking early or having general "discipline" isn't such a thing.

[tomnipotent]

> You don't gain discipline by waking up earlier than necessary.

You absolutely do. Please take a second to actually lookup the definition of the word. It may not be added discipline in your life, but it is for many other people that don't live with the same daily habits as you. You don't get to change the definition of a word to fit your narrative, sorry.

[Broken_Hippo]

Getting up early is only a sign of discipline if you need to get up that early. Getting up early with little sleep is self-sabotage: Getting up early when you are more productive later in the day is ignoring self-knowledge.

If you simply want to get up early because you are more productive that way doesn't require more self-discipline than staying up late for the same reasons. There is nothing "urgent" about it - you can very well do the same thing waking up at 8am or even noon (admittedly, noon has its drawbacks, but 8 or 9 am gets folks by with the greater world most times).