[moviuro]

Depends how it's done. In France, we register only once in the country, in our "voting neighborhood".

Once you enter the voting building, you give your ID, sign the register, go to the voting cell, put your vote in an envelope, give your sealed envelope to be counted in a sealed box that has a mechanical counter for each envelope it gets.

Unhackable, because anyone can check the counter, count the signatures, and participate to the closing count of cast votes.

The real issue is if you can get inscribed on two different voting neighborhoods though... is that what you describe? (which shouldn't happen, given how long it takes to get your name on one voting list, since the gvt probably crosses your name out of all other voting neighborhoods when you do)

[carry_bit]

> you give your ID

That's racist. (According to some in the US)

EDIT: So how would you design a system where you don't need an ID to vote (like many places in the US)?

[infimum]

It is racist, when you make it exceedingly difficult for some minority populations to get an id.

[rdtsc]

We should make it exceedingly easy it seems instead of just saying well we won't have it at all?

If anything just to avoid the time and energy spent insinuating things and discussing if IDs are racist or not.

A country like India with more poverty and issues like open defecation somehow managed to get everyone an ID but here it this insurmountable problem, that everyone talks about yet nothing is done about it.

[themikesanto]

At best, voter ID is a solution to a problem that has not been shown to exist. At worst, it is a tool to limit the number of people who are able to vote on election day. It's really as simple as that.

[polyphonic01]

No it's not racist, it can easily be implemented in the US today without issue.

Don't be so patronizing to minority groups, they are just as capable as everyone else and already have to get ID for numerous other activities.

The US is less racist than most other countries on Earth, yet somehow it is the US that couldn't properly implement voter ID cards?

Racism in America has dropped dramatically in the last 50 years according to multiple lines of research, the perception that racism is on the rise is false and misguided.

It's a shame voter ID can't be implemented on a nationwide basis in the US just because people have concerns that are longer valid.

[mikeash]

Don’t be so ignorant about the motivations and techniques behind American voter ID laws. The people writing the laws have literally studied the demographics of who possesses which kind of ID so that they can write the laws to accept forms more likely to be held by white voters and reject forms more likely to be held by minorities. And then they’ll shut down or limit the hours of ID offices in minority areas to make it more difficult for them to remedy the situation.

We absolutely could properly implement voter ID. We just don’t.

Edit: I would encourage skeptics to look up the history of voter literacy tests. How can a literacy test be racist? Are you implying that minorities can’t learn to read? And yet they were highly effective at suppressing the minority vote for a long time.

[acct1771]

That last part is true, and should be fixed before implementing voter ID laws.

[pjc50]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/voter-id-laws...

Unusually, this links to the actual court result: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/07/29/us/document-A...

The bill was specifically and deliberately amended to choose only those specific forms of ID that African-Americans were least likely to hold.

[lozenge]

Republican politicians and lobbying groups are literally on video admitting their political and racial motivation for the voter ID laws. Do you think they're lying?

[mikeash]

How would you design a system where you do need an ID to vote without unfairly disenfranchising a lot of people?

This is not an impossible question by any means. You can absolutely design such a system. But the differences between that hypothetical system and the real systems used in the US are important and instructive.

[scrollaway]

The US is not France. GP specified France.