[negamax]

Unperturbed because I know the endgame on this :). World without alcohol is a better world. The arguments about the past. I can list down counter arguments. But that’s not the point. People often respond with emotions about alcohol consumption. Media brainwashing has done its job well.

[malvosenior]

> World without alcohol is a better world.

Not for me. I truly enjoy a good drink with or without friends. It's possible to drink in moderation and enjoy yourself.

> Media brainwashing has done its job well.

Again, heavy drinking was extremely common well before mass media. I don't think you can pin this particular issue on them.

[negamax]

You are ignoring the fact that our lifestyles have changed completely. We don’t work in the fields and at mercy of cold

[malvosenior]

How am I ignoring that? I'm saying I actually like a drink now and then. Honestly, your argument seems all over the place.

[negamax]

I am happy to coherently type my argument.

Alcohol consumption in the past was necessity because of cold climate and manual labor. Alcohol is made from ethanol is made from sugarcane and is extremely calories rich. 100 gm beer contains 43 calories. One can contains 154 calories

It was quite fine in the past as most of the calories were burned due to harsh living conditions.

Fast forward to 21st century. We are hardly exposed to extreme cold. We live in extremely protected environments. From temperature controlled office to car to home. But we haven’t changed our drinking habits to reflect that.

Add to that mass media consumption due to profits. We have an epedicmic which can easily be prevented. 5% of all deaths are due to alcohol.

Just visit ED of any hospital on Saturday night if you want to see the ills for yourself

[malvosenior]

No doubt alcoholism is bad and shouldn't be encouraged. But there's a huge difference between ending up in the ER and having a craft beer on a Friday after work (and everything in between).

You are discounting the positive psychological benefits that can be attributed to alcohol. Even if it really is bad to ever drink, ever, it's not like you're going to instantly keel over and die, it's a very subtle effect if it's there at all. People will weigh that risk against the benefits they get from drinking and act accordingly.

One could say that a lot of these "soft limits" are already in place due to humanity's long relationship with alcohol. It's already not seen as a good thing to get black out drunk for instance...

[negamax]

Don’t get me wrong. Personal choice precedes everything. I do think however that there’s lack of information spread. And profit seeking encourage drinking and discount the ill effects.

Facts weigh against alcohol consumption and I hope people choose their, societal and environmental health