Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by throwaway0255 2821 days ago
> I'm sure I was projecting and it was just trying to avoid being eaten, but it seemed way more intelligent than other insects.

Really interesting, but I agree it's most likely just a projection.

Possibly due to the fact that mantises are the only insect (that I can think of at least) that indicates focus by turning its head toward something?

The power of human emotional projection is extremely strong. I had the misfortune of seeing domesticated dogs in great distress (to put it mildly) a few times when I was younger, and one thing I always remember is that while experiencing the distress, the dogs would still make that familiar panting facial expression that most people innately perceive as a dog "smiling" or expressing happiness/joy.

As a result I have a very different experience from most people when I observe the behavior of dogs. I haven't seen any behavior in dogs yet that are any indication to me that they're capable of experiencing happiness/joy.

I'm somewhat convinced that people's perception of the emotional spectrum of dogs in particular is almost entirely an optimistic human construct. Their behavior patterns and how they appear to experience things actually seems extremely narrow to me, roughly the same as most other animals. I think the one exception to that is that dogs are unique in their tendency to adapt those behaviors in a domestic environment as though dogs and humans were members of the same species.

1 comments

I grew up on a farm and I have seen animals free from human interaction display playfulness, happiness, fear, pain and anger - Dogs, horses, cattle, sheep. In all cases I found these behaviours unambiguous and demonstrating a relatively rich inner life, that I find not at all unexpected from their neurobiology
I think mammals have pretty much the same set of emotions that we do. Insects, probably not.
That’s a very Cartesian world view on biology, luckily abandoned a long time ago. Animals where merely automatons and scientists dissecting dogs alive could gleefully ignore their cries as nothing more than automatic response stimuli. Today we know that physiologically humans are not very different from other mammals, even if we want to be. We all have a limbic system and that means we all have the same emotions. Animals have feelings and emotions. When things happen to them, they react with emotions be it sorrow, anger, happiness, fear.
Carl Segan at the end of The Demon haunted World talks extensively about this mechanistic worldview, where animals were once thought of as clockwork.

I’d just note that your comment reads a bit like I endorse this view - whereas the intention of my post was to refute it. Perhaps you meant to reply to my parent?

Yes, sorry. I managed to click on the wrong link in the HN iOS app.
What you’re claiming of the comment you replied to is the complete opposite of what it states.
Exactly. The op is essentially agreeing with the gp, but seems to be saying that the op’s view was ‘luckily abandoned a long time ago.’
What other animals have a limbic system. Are some species' more developed than others or are the base components the same in every species that has one?