[gaius]

use a different airline. The market is extremely competitive.

Ryanair is the only airline to certain destinations no matter how much you are willing to pay. And they have form for manipulation. For a long time if you wanted to opt out of their insurance, you had to set that as your nationality...

[lorenzobr]

> Ryanair is the only airline to certain destinations

Surely it's not Ryanair's fault if others are not willing to compete for certain destinations.

[seszett]

Maybe, but you cannot say that the market is "extremely competitive" and "others are not willing to compete" at the same time.

[lorenzobr]

I'm not the one who said the market is "extremely competitive". For sure is a market with high barriers to entry, very expensive to be in and profit margins are not that high either.

So if you are Ryanair you aim at doing more destinations and paid "extras", if you are Alitalia you aim at doing fewer destinations on a much bigger price mark.

[gaius]

There have been various dodgy dealings around subsidies, it’s by no means as clear-cut as that. This freezes rivals out.

[lorenzobr]

dodgy dealings = lobbying. Everyone does it in every industry unfortunately for us consumers.

[arkades]

> it’s a very competitive market

> it’s not their fault there’s no competition

Perhaps you could rephrase your rebuttal? It doesn’t quite make sense as I am interpreting it.

[rsynnott]

Really? Where? I don’t doubt there are one or two, but most of their routes seem to be similar to the national carriers (though often to a different airport).