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by wasd884 2824 days ago
> My first guess is that the fastest route I can provide is Java through the Oracle's Java Programmer II certification and creating an original Android app for Google Play store.

Oh great, flooding the already low quality programming industry with even more "in it for a quick buck and I don't really care about quality" programmers?
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NPMaxwell 2824 days ago
As I was crafting this question, I included "(Apologies for fanning the flames of get-rich-quick/impatience/tiny-training-big-promises.)" To shorten it, I took that out. I love Norvig's "Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years" http://norvig.com/21-days.html. I doubt I'll be able to do this with enough people to have any noticeable impact on the programming world. I'm not seeing much in the way of scaling (or monetization) anytime soon.
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croo 2824 days ago
Oracle's Java SE certification exams are actually quite hard.
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bdcravens 2824 days ago
Passing an exam means you're a good exam taker, not a good programmer.
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croo 2823 days ago
Nah, this exam actually means you have an abnormal understanding of Java and a good understanding of how OOP works. It also means you can read and understand code fast. It does not mean you are a good team player or have experience in building things. To say that the code in the exams are not clean code is an understatement though. The questions usually grab all clean code practices by the neck and murder it violently then asks questions about the output. So there's that.
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NPMaxwell 2824 days ago
True. And and exam does not mean you'll be able to get past the interview questions. But does the Java cert get you the interview?
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NPMaxwell 2824 days ago
Yes. I've heard that. I'm guessing that hiring managers/HR is aware of that, and that the qualification makes a difference. Does that seem right?
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croo 2820 days ago
I'm aware because I tried the exams. I also happen to sometimes interview people and for me a fresh certificate of this exam means I'm immediately satisfied with the basic programming skills of that person and can tackle other topics. But I don't know how common this knowledge is among recruiters.
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NPMaxwell 2817 days ago
Thanks!
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