[tehbeard]

Developers. Those are choices for developers, not their customers.

Their customers are still primarily enterprise/gov.

And the reason for giving choice and candy to the developers is to keep them onboard and happy to develop for the ecosystem, so that customers will continue to buy in as the ecosystem has what they need.

I'm not saying WSL or VS Code are evil. They make developing on Windows a joy. But they make it a joy with that goal in mind.

[tw04]

Really? SQL isn't free. Github isn't free. Linux on Azure isn't free.

The only other apps they're selling on-prem to enterprises are Exchange and AD.

In both cases, their focus is on moving customers to a hosted/cloud based version, so it's not something I would ever expect them to spend a ton of time and effort porting to another on-premises OS. For SMB they've become far, far more open both licensing it to third parties as well as helping out the samba crew with the open source version.

Do you have a single example of them being openly hostile? Or you're just whining about them not open sourcing and giving away the farm?

[justinclift]

> Do you have a single example of them being openly hostile?

The spyware literally built into Win 10 - and backported to previous windows - which can't be disabled without third party products?

To me, that's openly hostile to everyone. Note - "everyone" includes developers. I'm not sure why many people seem to give MS a free pass on this. :/

[tw04]

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DataCollection

I'm not sure why everyone pretends this is an MS thing and not an industry thing :/

[justinclift]

Is it really an industry thing? There do seem to be several large bad actors at present (MS being one of them), and but not sure it really extends to most of the IT industry.

Maybe you're meaning some non-IT industry? eg Marketing?

[tehbeard]

I feel like you hit reply on the wrong comment?

Nowhere did I claim them to be hostile. I never expressed my thoughts on how they acquire business as good or bad.

All I did was state that "They're doing their best" isn't out of the goodness of their hearts, there's a biz decision behind it.

> Or you're just whining about them not open sourcing and giving away the farm?

Way to try and attack my character. Never said a word of what you're accusing.