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by jcroberts 5722 days ago
> Does it bother anyone else that piracy would force

> an arbitrary low price point for books?

> ...

> Piracy is preventing the market from establishing a real

> clearing price for books;

In the above question about being bothered by sharing, it seems you are forgetting your previous arguments about value, particularly in the sense of limiting the idea of value to fit your argument. To give an example, the time you spend reading this email might be a completely wasted effort, or even a mostly wasted effort, but with some degree of luck and skill, I might manage to make the time you spend worthwhile. Essentially, the words I'm writing might have value to you.

In a world where writing something is extremely easy, the overwhelming majority of written text has little or no value. The invention of text editors, desktop publishing, printers, and all associated technology has vastly increased the volume of written text, but at the same time it has decreased the value of written text. It's a signal to noise problem, since when any idiot can write, many do (myself included).

Please don't fall into the trap of believing "reviews" (or karma for that matter) will be an adequate filter. There will always be a risk/reward ratio for time invested in reading, and for something to be ranked poorly, someone had to waste their time reading it.

There are really only two primary motivations for writing, fame and fortune. The minor motivations such as sharing and contributing thoughts or efforts are often entangled with the primary motivations. This goes back to the pessimistic view of, "There's no such thing as a selfless act," but rationally, it is applicable.

For the sake of argument, imagine the end of copyright, and hence the end of books as we know them. More accurately, we're looking at the end of the financial motivations to write, edit, and publish books in any form. With fortune now missing from the rather short list of primary motivations, all we have left is fame. Since one can profit from fame, financial motivations have not been completely removed.

When you boil it down, no matter how "useful" written content may be, it is still a form of advertising.

When you want to hire someone for a programming position, you look at their advertisements, such as open source contributions.

When you want to be entertained, ...

When you want to be informed, ...

Assuming you've read a book (advertisement) by J.K. Rowling, and enjoyed it, would you be willing to pay to see her read/tell a new story to an audience?

Assuming you've read a book (advertisement) by Lawrence (Larry) Harris on "Trading & Exchanges," and found it useful/enjoyable, would you be willing to pay to attend one of his classes or lectures? (note: he's a prof at USC, and hence, actually teaching/lecturing as well as maintaining his employment by advertising his mastery of a subject).

Similar could be said for everything covered by unjust and corrupt imaginary property laws, but the more important question is very simple; Have you fallen for the typical "Price Anchoring" [1] and are responding in a "Predictably Irrational" [2] manner by purchasing advertisements?

The time and effort invested by a 'user' to evaluate a work has value, regardless if the user determines the work to be worthwhile. Additionally, a user admiring a work has value for the creator of the work, regardless if the work itself is purchased.

Go look at your karma score and think about the non-obvious ways you have financially or otherwise profited from "freely" contributing your words to HN.

[1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1244967 [2] http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_asks_are_we_in_control_o...

1 comments

My concern is over institutionalized theft, which is not a feature of a functional marketplace.
I don't know why you were down-voted, but I agree with what you seem to _mean_ even though your use of strong rhetoric distracts from your point.

The trouble is one can define "institutionalized theft" as either widespread "illegal" sharing (as you do), or as "unjust" laws preventing sharing, but not both. More accurately, the former is the masses breaking the laws, so only the latter actually qualifies as institutionalized. Though "institutionalized" was a poor choice of words, I see no merit in rehashing the tired debate over the term "theft" versus the more legally correct "copyright infringement." --Either way, I still get what you mean.

Both of us value good work and believe the worker should be rewarded.

A functional marketplace can be simply defined as paying someone else to do something you are unable or unwilling to do yourself. There is usually a level where it makes more sense to pay someone else to provide for a particular need. Those who specialize in providing for a particular type of need, gain advantages (expertise, resources, tooling, scale, ...), and can therefore sell for far less than it would normally cost others who don't have the advantage of specialization.

The most important thing to realize is both "theft" and "monopoly" are deterrents to a fair and functional marketplace. Yes, I intentionally put "monopoly" in quotes because it is admittedly equally strong rhetoric as "theft" but I simply could not think of an better word.

When one gets to the point of being able to admit both theft and monopoly are bad for markets, the very nature of the discussion changes dramatically; The question becomes, "How do we reward good work?"

I'll be the first to admit any attempt to address the root cause will be exceedingly difficult. Additionally, we will most likely fail at completely eradicating theft and completely eradicating monopoly, but one needs to maintain an overly-optimistic view order to find a better solution to an unsolvable problem.

I think you're a bright person and level headed, but if you'd rather not discuss this issue publicly, I completely understand. Like myself, I'd bet you have close friends or partners with vested interests in the status quo, and any public mention of change will undoubtedly piss them off. I like to think I'm very lucky in that my friends trust me to be fair minded even when the don't like me questioning the most difficult things. --maybe off-list?