[bennyp101]

Agree - I'm still using my 13" Mid 2009 Macbook - it has everything on it that I need, I got offered a latest Macbook from work, had to turn it down. That weird bar at the top, a keyboard that just feels horrible to type on, and a shiny screen that is just not for me.

[neuronic]

Of course this is a matter of taste, but I seriously don't get the hate for the new keyboard. It took me two days to get used to it. The one thing I concede is, that it is loud.

[erobbins]

It's super clacky, there's no key travel, and it's hard to blindly feel the edges of the keys. There's also no escape key.

[extra88]

The 2018 keyboard is much less clacky than the 2016 one but the travel is the same. I’m glad most of my typing is on an external keyboard anyway.

I don’t have a problem with Esc being on the Touch Bar because it’s the leftmost target and nothing is that close to it. Maybe I’d feel differently if I was a regular vi user.

[thewizardofaus]

The key travel is very important. When you can type 140+ Words per minute key travel becomes important to stop rsi in the wrist.

[sehugg]

Sounds like my old Atari 400, except it did have Esc.

[dsego]

I liked it well enough until keycaps started sticking to my fingers and falling out while I was typing. I think the overheating weakens the tiny and fragile plastic hooks. Also, some keys get stuck or repeat letters but I got used to it.

[tqkxzugoaupvwqr]

If it is a 200€ laptop, I might be okay with this. But paying 2800€ (15" model, least expensive configuration) and then not being able to work because the keyboard falls apart … unforgivable. Let’s hope Apple introduces a more reliable Pro laptop next year. Until then I have to plug along on my 2014 model.

[epicide]

For me, there was a huge difference between generations of the butterfly switches.

The first gen felt like typing on a flat surface for me, whereas the newer ones feel really nice to type on.

[abraham_lincoln]

I use my work supplied brand new MBP as a glorified desktop Mac Mini attached to a 4k 32" monitor.

[nambit]

Get a 2015 macbook pro. That's the highest spec macbook without the things that would annoy you.

[lostlogin]

Assuming you were offered a MacBook (as in, non pro), you made a great choice. The dongle life is grim and even with the right ones (good luck there) you get stuck. Yuck.

[varjag]

The MB12 has no touchbar.

[lostlogin]

Was this reply for me?

[varjag]

Yes it was meant to you. The post you replied to:

> That weird bar at the top, a keyboard that just feels horrible to type on, and a shiny screen that is just not for me.

There is no touchbar on MB, so they could not been offered that.

[lostlogin]

Ahh, thanks. I thought you were correcting me, not offering an alternative.