[arachnids]

This is already not true for modern iPhones. I think the time to stop accepting this has come. We should demand better from commodity devices.

[comboy]

I think most disagreement in this thread comes from not separating two very different cases.

1) I got access to you hardware and I want to extract data from it

2) I got access to your hardware and I get to give it back to you and you continue using it as if nothing happened