[yourbandsucks]

I'd argue you're into red herring land a little yourself with the systemic goings-on.

From Joe Sixpack's perspective, he paid his mortgage every month for 20 years, was all set to retire on his home equity, and then poof, the rug got pulled out from under him.

It's a bit of a tall ask to say he should've seen that his home was overvalued and planned accordingly when all of Wall St couldn't see it either.

[oihoaihsfoiahsf]

If Joe Sixpack owned for twenty years, he was not underwater after the crisis. He might not be in as good of a shape as he was at the top, and I can understand how that would be disappointing, but he's still doing fine. If he got greedy and did a big cash out ARM refinance, well, that sucks, but people are told from a very young age that when something seems too good to be true, it probably is. Caveat emptor! And there are warnings ALL OVER the documents you have to sign to actually participate in such a transaction. I reject the notion that American adults should not or cannot be custodians of their own financial lives.

I'm certainly not saying that I expect the average American to understand what actually happened. The average American believes all kinds of things that aren't true, even in much simpler domains of knowledge. I am just saying what actually happened.

[isoskeles]

What about the Joe Sixpacks who bought homes because housing always goes up and I can just flip this in three years?

[stale2002]

But he can retire. He owns a house. Nothing poofed away. He owns it, and is not getting evicted. He can continue to live in that same house that he has lived in for 20 years.