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by alexforster 2846 days ago
The USAF definitely noticed. He technically shouldn't be able to maintain his security clearance after this. It's probably going to amount to nothing, but it's still bad- https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/7/17833208/elon-musk-air-for...
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A USAF public affairs officer (Capt Hope Cronin) put out a statement denying those false allegations.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-musk-air-force/repo...

The articles floating around are all speculation designed to pull in click/views, which you can immediately tell since none of them cited a source and even worse, mentioned having a source.

The Verge has recently turned mostly into a clickbaity outlet. I stopped visiting the site after I watched the Tesla Q2 2018 conference and them immediately releasing a video with a sensational headline claiming many things like "Elon almost lost his job", “Tesla is in trouble” which contradict the facts and were not representative of the event at all.

This is fake news. Time to update your sources. If this was an issue for a clearance, then you might as well insta-ban the majority of holders.
It is an issue for clearance. You can get by with admitting to past youthful indiscretions during the background investigation but you absolutely can't actively violate federal law and keep a security clearance.
At best, it's uncharted territory. Someone will have to lose their security clearance for using marijuana, then they will sue the government, then the court will decide whether or not state laws can override federal laws here.

The fact that the federal government has not pressed the issue is telling as to which way they think courts will rule.

There can be a big difference between doing something you’re not supposed to and FLONTING that you’re doing it.

Add to that his level of importance (vs some military office worker with a clearance) and I’d say he’s at a much higher risk.

> There can be a big difference between doing something you’re not supposed to and FLONTING that you’re doing it.

Flaunting it actually makes it less of a security risk in some ways; for one things no one is going to blackmail him with the threat of exposing it.

Interesting. I actually dictated that to Siri and that’s how she chose to spell it. I see now it’s not a word.

I thought it looked off but I figured she knew better than I did. It’s not exactly word I use all the time.

Clearance is about being compromised. Do you think Musk would reveal state secrets in exchange for weed? Do you think he would exchange state secrets to avoid the public finding out he smokes weed?

The agent who interviewed me said, "Are you the kind of person who speeds and owns up to it, or are you the kind of person who speeds and lies about it?" One of those is risky but generally acceptable.

I dunno. We're in a weird time. I can point to a few people that, i think, should not have clearances. But compartmentalization is a thing, perhaps those folks don't have a need to know the kinds of things i worry about.

My super casual, outside observer view is, the military might provide some facts and figures about payloads, but they're not saying this telescope can resolve .1mm from geosynchronous orbit. they're saying, it weighs this much and can withstand this much acceleration. There will likely be new revised policies on what's shared with spaceX about their payloads. But does anyone think Musk actions would lead him to be compromised?

It's also about the ability to follow rules (arbitrary or not). If you can't be trusted to follow the rules about not doing drugs, why should they assume you can be trusted to follow the rules about protecting classified information?

(That represents my understanding of the clearance processes' view of the issue, not my personal beliefs).

My, very shallow, understanding is, people can’t follow rules. There are a few rare individuals that can, but not the tens of thousands that are required.
Having once held a U.S. security clearance, I can guarantee you that Defense Intelligence Agency investigators are going to have a word or two with Musk. Occasional "experimental" marijuana use prior to the clearance issuance is often waived, but any use after can be a bit of a problem.
True for the most part regarding waivers on service members and civilian federal employees. But false in this case, see above.
Not saying the clearance will be revoked, rather a "Please don't do that again" accompanied with a mild finger wag.