[growlist]

> private organizations (which could include non-profits, worker owned co-ops, etc.) can (and should) fill most of the roles which are currently filled by "government"

I completely agree - I'm all for (for example) healthcare that's free at the point of provision and looking after the vulnerable, and think our economies throw off more than enough surplus for us to fund this type of programme without disincentivising ambition - but I don't think a vast monolithic bureaucracy is necessarily the best way to do it. The tragic thing is that in the example of the NHS here in the UK, the left have made the organisation so bloody untouchable that even potentially beneficial reform is blocked - for example I think if we had a nominal charge (£15?) for a GP visit it would go a huge way towards discouraging e.g. the worried well and pensioners visiting their GP for a weekly chat..

[dangerface]

I think most old people goto the doctor because they are old and dying and need a doctor, not because they want a chat with a stranger in a sterile environment.

I also fail to see how charging people for nothing will help solve the problem of the NHS being expensive and not very effective.

Considering we have had a conservative government for the past 8 years I fail to see how this is Labours fault, the only reform conservatives suggest is to sell the NHS to their mate for a fiver, I fail to see how this could be potentially beneficial.

[growlist]

Part of the problem is too much demand, and when something is free people do not respect it - bring in a small charge and it discourages frivolous use. I don't think this is a particularly earth-shattering extreme right wing observation.

I don't want anyone making huge sums out of healthcare either, though lets be honest, Labour didn't exactly do a good job in controlling doctors' salaries, did they?