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by bashmydotfiles 2848 days ago
I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Also, key point: > Spend some time traveling the world, head to some developing countries outside of your consumer driven world.

Traveling is a luxury that many people cannot afford - it requires a ton of money.

You're telling me to save up money, then to spend it, to go to a place where I realize I won't need money?

How do you tell a poor person with financial troubles - don't worry just travel and you'll see you don't actually need money?

People who say, "Money does not affect happiness" usually come from a place of privilege - i.e. they already have money and have their basic needs met, so they've never /really/ had to worry about money. If you're a single mother of three kids in a minimum wage job, then money definitely affects your happiness.

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No one said anything about telling poor people to travel. The point is that many are already content with what they have. Sure, if they don't have enough food to eat, or access to clean water, that's clearly an issue. But those who have met their basic human needs, generally don't feel unhappy because they aren't buying a new iPhone ever year. I recently spent a month backpacking through India, and the people with the most have nots were some of the warmest, happiest, and inviting people I've ever met in my entire life.

From the article, it sounds like Loggan is exactly that. Never complains. Never asked for a promotion. Content with what he has.

“He could retire now,” said Javon Chambers, his grandson, himself a Walker Bros. busser for 15 years. “He’s financially straight and everything. I just think he knows when people retire, they die. That’s what he’s said: Old people don’t have nothing to do, they see their friends retire, and then they retire, and that’s when they die of boredom too. It’s like people who are married a long time — if one dies, the next goes right after. That’s like my grandfather and this place. He doesn’t want the will inside him to dry up.”

Ambition, in a time of low expectations, in a country defined by inequality, can mean holding on to what you have, internalizing your place in the world. “I think Loggan wanted to fit in somewhere,” said chef Pat Levy, also known as “Popeye”; he has worked at the restaurant 42 years, arriving in Chicago from Jamaica. “I think Loggan just decided to be a busboy. He is content. It’s all he wants. So I ask — isn’t that OK?”

For instance, the company took out life insurance on Loggan (payable to his wife); Ray says that for years he’s set aside about $50 a month for Loggan, as an informal retirement fund (subject to a 30 percent penalty for early withdrawal).

The guy still buys a lottery ticket, so I just assume that he'd find your original statement, "money definitely does not make people any happier," just as naive as most people would.

A person can be content with what they have and still find value (happiness, even!) in having more, for a variety of reasons that don't involve naked greed or avarice. It's extremely strange that anyone needs to have this explained to them.

You're going off on tangents and picking apart context unnecessarily. What does the insistence on reiterating that he still buys lottery tickets? So what? I've bought a few, and I don't have any money issues, it's fun to take a chance! We all have our vices, rich and poor still gamble. I piss away money on expensive cocktails because they are delicious. So what have it? If I couldn't afford them, it's not going to be a detriment to my happiness. The discussion isn't about whether having more will make anyone more or less happy, it's whether people are content with the lives they have now. Do they want an iPhone? Possibly. Are the happy without ever getting one? Probably. Would it be awesome owning a 30 million dollar mansion on a secluded beach front property? Heck yes! Am I less happy because I don't? No! Geez, lighten up!
> The discussion isn't about whether having more will make anyone more or less happy

This thread of discussion literally began because you wrote "Money definitely does not make people any happier."

The more interesting take would be that money vs happiness is likely some form of sigmoid. Or multiple overlapped sigmoids most likely. (ridged)