| >Can any of the places in china even discuss independence in the open? Well, every place in the US can Only when there's no real prospect of it, and as long as such discussion remains a fringe activity that gets lost in the media noise. Oh, and as long as those discussing it are white, and not e.g. native american, or latinos, and such. There's a long history, from this: "In the mid-century, the "Cointelpro program" was a project conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to surveil, infiltrate, discredit, and disrupt domestic political organizations which it classified as suspect or subversive. The police documented thousands of extensive carpetas (files) concerning individuals of all social groups and ages. Approximately 75,000 persons were listed as under political police surveillance. Historians and critics found that the massive surveillance apparatus was directed primarily against Puerto Rico's independence movement." (wikipedia) to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre that suggests that they can't really discuss it that openly. This didn't go down very well either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America |