[yomly]

I always struggle with the doublethink that a "coffee" (that is, a black coffee) has nearly 0 calories. But a "coffee" (that is a drink that is really fat and sugar with some coffee added there) could have x calories where x is a stupidly large number...

[mgkimsal]

yeah, even 'coffee' with milk is... the calories of milk. and I like a lot of milk in my coffee. or... I like a bit of coffee with my milk, to be more precise. so i've needed to watch how many I have. can't really deal with plain black coffee.

[yomly]

you should really have a go at persisting with black coffee - it's definitely acquired, but I really can't imagine coffee any other way.

[stephenhuey]

Yes, I didn’t get into coffee till college and sugary stuff was my gateway, but I knew people enjoyed black coffee and made a concerted effort to develop a taste for it, and now I really can detect subtleties in single origin beans similar to what wine enthusiasts experience. Occasionally I have coffee with milk, especially if it’s bad coffee, but my taste buds thinks of that as something else entirely. Find a coffee shop with some helpful but OCD baristas who will take the time with you to give you good samples of pour over or French press or chemex, etc to see if they can win you over to “black” coffee. The benefits in the end outweigh any effort you might have to put in!

[yomly]

Yeah, a good pour-over is really something different to a burnt-bitter crap americano (which I will still drink...)

[tomatotomato37]

Black coffee is nice... when the actual coffee is nice. It doesn't take too long after the switch to realize the random kuerig selection offered at your office does not fit that category.

[nailer]

Starbucks in Australia (when they were around) was viewed as being a milkshake shop.

[chosenbreed]

How did you get rid of them? :-)

[nailer]

Australians and Kiwis are to coffee what New Yorkers are to pizza: we didn't invent it, but we damn well perfected it.

So when Starbucks came with a poor product the only people who went were curious locals (who didn't return) and Asian students who liked the brand:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-08-07/32188

[chewz]

My friend - concerned that her daughter could put up weight from spending too much time in Starbucks - remarked that Starbucks basicaly serve coffee deserts rather then coffee.

[slumberlust]

What does this have to do with Starbucks? Any place that serves coffee offers additives that increase calorie count. How is this brand any different? Black coffee is the same calorie count everywhere.