[ssijak]

There is nothing "artistic" in overusing autotune. It is just a tool to "mask" that that person can`t really sing at all and is overused in popular/commercial genres where there is an abundance of untalented musicians. I can`t imagine anyone saying that obvious autotuned songs sound good.

[throwaway8879]

I don't understand this attitude at all. So something that doesn't seem artistic to you simply isn't artistic for anybody else because you decided that it isn't? Autotune is just another processing like reverb, delay, whatever. You think they didn't use any processing on Beatles' records? You think non-autotuned singers don't use a TC-helicon or whatever when they're performing live?

Autotuned songs can sound good, just as non-autotuned songs can sound bad. I'm as much a music elitist as anybody, but thinking that you have the one true objective idea of what music sounds good or bad is just childish.

[mattmanser]

There's a difference between using it deliberately and using it because the singer can't sing.

I wonder if in 20 years time it will sound incredibly dated, much like 80s synths do today.

I'm not particularly against auto tune and ultimately most people don't even notice it being used, but I do sort of understand where the GP is coming from.

If your idol can't actually sing, and you saw them live and it's rubbish, wouldn't you feel cheated?

[throwaway8879]

Sure, I agree with you for the most part. Except that if you're going to see one of these autotune singers live with the hope that they're able to sound exactly like the record then you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Would you feel cheated if you found out that the magic show you went to in Vegas was just sleight-of-hand and trickery? :)

I personally dislike it too, but I'm not going to say it's not artistic, because to someone else it might be. People get so caught up and passionate with their art of choice that they sometimes forget that it's all just entertainment in the end. Whether it be Hillary Hahn or some teenager making beats in Ableton and throwing in the stock vocal effect.

About 80s synths, I think a lot of us, or at least I personally associate that cheesy sound with mass-produced digital synths put out by Yamaha, Roland etc. It's all variety and I love it. My dad still has a DX7 and a D-50 that I'm hoping to inherit.

[mattmanser]

A lot of people can't tell that someone's auto-tuned. They're not aware enough.

Like most people wouldn't even realise there's a bass line vs a guitar.

As for 80s synths, in my opinion there are a lot of otherwise great songs that are ruined by those travesties. I totally appreciate they were breaking new ground, but remastering some of those tracks with modern synths would make the songs sound a lot better.

[darkerside]

The Killers, and many other tremendously popular (and talented) bands that have intentionally replicated the overproduced 80s sound, would like a word with you

[dzjkb]

>I can't imagine anyone saying that obvious autotuned songs sound good.

Well just look at the status quo of popular rap music then - tons of artists are aiming for the obvious autotune style and tons of people are listening to it (so I assume they think it sounds good). I'm not sure what you mean by "artistic", but it's definitely a sound people try to achieve on purpose in their music, so I think it does deserve some recognition as "art".

[Krakadero]

T-Pain is a great singer, and I'm pretty sure he's the first person a lot of people think about when they think about autotune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc

[puranjay]

Let me introduce you to Bon Iver's "22, A Million"

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN61gg9VNXPomdZu0UY_w...

[apengwin]

Kanye West used autotune to great effect in 808s and Heartbreak, one of the seminal albums of this century

[deadbeef404]

Very true about using it to great effect in 808s and Heartbreak! I remember hearing one of those tracks and finding it fairly nice to listen to. Then I heard him live on SNL and his singing voice was close to non-existent.

[Jaruzel]

No-one ever says Cher can't sing, but her 'Believe' song also uses Autotune in a very distinct way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3kCEEc98