[creep]

Okay, but who cares if it's annoying? What is the point of bringing up the fact that sometimes people are annoying when they make certain choices? How does that add to meaningful discussion, how does that even create meaningful discussion?

[kodablah]

> Okay, but who cares if it's annoying?

Lots of people, same people who don't like being guilted by portions of society in general. The real question is, if they find it annoying, why do you care?

> What is the point of bringing up the fact that sometimes people are annoying when they make certain choices?

I thought this was clear, that it's not about making the choices, it's about imposing the choice upon you via bombardment, guilt, perceived righteousness, etc.

> How does that add to meaningful discussion, how does that even create meaningful discussion?

Surely you can understand the level at which society accepts/approves of certain actions has value? And if you do, how does one derive that level sans discussion?

[creep]

>same people who don't like being guilted by portions of society in general.

Being "guilted" is not an act others do to you, it's a mind-state you inflict on yourself.

>The real question is, if they find it annoying, why do you care?

I don't care if anyone finds anything annoying. But I do care when someone waxes useless about it on a forum that is supposed to generate meaningful discussion.

>it's about imposing the choice upon you via bombardment, guilt, perceived righteousness, etc.

Again, these are all things you yourself give permission to affect you.

>Surely you can understand the level at which society accepts/approves of certain actions has value? And if you do, how does one derive that level sans discussion?

Go back and look at OP's comment, and then look at your comment that I replied to. The "point" both you and OP have made is that elitism is annoying. You gave no commentary on "the level at which society accepts/approves of certain actions". You literally only said that elitism is annoying. Might as well have said that the sky is blue.

[kodablah]

> Being "guilted" is not an act others do to you, it's a mind-state you inflict on yourself.

It's also a mind-state inflicted by others on others who vote and build general sentiment towards changing laws that do affect you. General discourse and sentiment matters even if it does not matter to you. This sentiment can be based on what is annoying, what is pervasive, what is elitist, what is ok, etc. The discussion about that matters.