[gfodor]

These guys must sleep really soundly at night, knowing that they're using their various talents trying to make a quick buck off of invading the privacy of and in some cases likely endangering the safety of their fellow human beings.

I realize that that sentence could arguably describe a number of mainstream startups. However, there's something more sinister and downright evil about this one in it's blatant disregard of common decency in the name of profits.

This type of reckless employment of modern data processing and search algorithms reminds me that as software engineers we have great power and thus great responsibility. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should. If we don't use our power ethically, then surely some politician some day with an axe to grind will ensure that we do. And a sad day that will be.

[robryan]

Even without the privacy it seems fairly useless, leaves the same taste in my mouth as late night infomercials trying to sell me the latest ab machine.

[chegra]

If it is legal and you can do it to make money, someone will. Why not these guys?

You are hoping the millions of software engineer out there don't produce something like this?

That is not going to happen. What you should be thinking of is ways to counteract such things. You can't just write code without sanitizing the input and don't expect somebody not test that you did. The same reasoning apply here, you should start thinking of profitable counter measures to render these guys useless.

[Side note: Just couple days ago someone reports a meeting between Microsoft and Adobe and Adobe stocks shot up 13%. This is one benefit of knowing where celebrity are located. But if you don't like it draw up your defense strategy.]

[gfodor]

You realize your argument can be extrapolated to most every field that relies upon the public trust. Those fields have gone on to create codes of ethics, licensing or accreditation processes, or even legal penalties for those who do not abide by the decided upon boundaries for ethical behavior.

Just because our field is too immature to have such things doesn't make it any less important to call a spade a spade. Not all wars can be fought nor won through competition in the marketplace, as you suggest.

[chegra]

Well go and create such legal counter measures. For now these guys are making money and I'm happy for them.

[gfodor]

Are you making an actual argument here? If so, what is it? It seems your argument is that one shouldn't be criticized on ethical grounds for legal activity, or that if something is legal and can be done to make money it should be praised regardless of the negative impact it can have on people's lives.

It's probably clear that I don't respect either of these opinions, so I hope that you're arguing some finer point here that I'm missing.

[WarDekar]

Is your argument that following the law = ethical conduct?

If so, how to do you reconcile differences between laws and cultures? Shouldn't ethical conduct be universal?

Certainly you must concede that there are unethical behaviors that are lawful?

[demallien]

Ow, I don't know why you're getting downvoted, the point seems reasonable to me.

Defences against this type of application do need to be developed, and not just for celebrities, but for all of us. What happens in 20 years time when all of those security cameras have been networked, and hooked up to processing centres capable of identifying individual humans from the images. We're all going to be under the surveillance hammer, and it's time to start thinking about how we are going to deal with that as a reality. To be clear, I'm thinking mostly about what happens when such a surveillance system is compromised by hackers/dishonest users of the system.

I'm thinking that defences are going to look something like a combination of a webcrawler to detect when your location is being diffused online, along with legal provisions that specifically punish this type of action. We need to start thinking about this stuff now, becuase it's going to take a long time to get the new laws in place, and I for one would much rather that the laws get written before I need them, not after...

[arethuza]

One defense would presumably to have coordinated publication of contrary data through multiple channels to an extent that the "real" data is drowned in a sea of noise.

Reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Execution_Channel where there is a blogger paid to post conspiracy theory nonsense by state security services to obscure the reality of various undercover operations.

[Jun8]

Not every legal thing is moral (and, of course, vice versa).