[secfirstmd]

Look HAMAS are awful but they are democratically elected in Gaza at least and have shown themselves to be a rational actor when it comes to deal making. For example offering as a negotiating tactic to remove parts of it's charter etc. It was similar in Northern Ireland where the people on the extreme edges ended up being the ones who made the deal. In theory it might have been the same in Israel but Bibi is weak and a coward.

[petra]

Hamas was democratically elected. they don't rule democratically. they break the knees of people whoe speak against them, for example.

[dogma1138]

You can’t help but frame everything to fit your bias can’t you? Hamas’s human rights violations in Gaza and the West Bank are worse than anything Israel has done. Hamas took power by force not through any democratic process, parliamentary elections were not what went wrong in Gaza it’s military wing taking power in the Palestinian “civil war” was.

[secfirstmd]

Worse? You know about Sabra and Shatila right?

[dogma1138]

Lebanese militias killing Palestinians has to do what with Israel?

Black September you know about that right? Want to blame that on the Israelis too?

Even in the region when it comes to Palestinian casualties Israel isn’t playing even in the same league as it’s Neighbors and world wide the scope of this conflict is so negligible it’s not even deserving of a footnote in the grand scheme of things yet over half of the UN declarations are about it.

The human scope of the conflict is nothing it’s far less than the drug violence in Mexico not to mention actual armed conflicts.

Heck 70 years of the conflict won’t amount to a few bad weeks in Syria.

The reason why it’s so easy to claim that criticism of Israel is anti-semitism is exactly because of the level of disproportionate attention this whole conflict is receiving and maybe just maybe if we tone it down a notch they’ll be able to solve it.

[secfirstmd]

Tone it down? Its been 60 years and the roadmap for peace has been around for decades.

Have you read the reports about what happened? Both the UN and the Israeli one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahan_Commission

And no Black September was an awful, awful tragedy. The murder of innocent Israelis by Palestinan groups is a heinous act that rightfully shoulf always been condemned and punished.