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by DanBC 2865 days ago
> have become aware of many people who use opiods on a long-term, occasional basis to manage their pain

This is the correct way to use opioids for long term pain, but it's only useful for a small number of people.

https://www.rcoa.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-awar...

"A small proportion of patients may obtain good pain relief with opioids in the long term if the dose can be kept low and especially if their use is intermittent (however it is difficult to identify these people at the point of opioid initiation".

This "small proportion" is in the UK context, where we are already prescribing much less opioids.

The mistake people make is to think that opioids are effective to treat long term pain. For most people they do not work to treat long term pain. The patient develops tolerance, needs increasing doses, and eventually they're taking dangerously high doses and also not getting pain relief.

We need to understand that there are limited treatments for chronic pain. Some people will need to lose weight and exercise. Some people may find a psychological treatment useful to either treat the pain or come to terms to live with the pain.

https://www.rcoa.ac.uk/node/21134

"Chronic pain can cause low mood, irritability, poor sleep and reduced ability to move around. Unlike acute pain, chronic pain is difficult to treat with most types of treatment helping less than a third of patients. Most treatments aim to help you self-manage your pain and improve what you can do. Different treatments work for different people. Medicines generally and opioids in particular are often not very effective for chronic pain. Other non-medicine treatments may be used such as electrical stimulating techniques (TENS machine), acupuncture, advice about activity and increasing physical fitness, and psychological treatments such as Cognitive Behaviour Therapy and meditation techniques such as mindfulness. Helping you understand about chronic pain is important and in particular helping you understand that physical activity does not usually cause further injury and is therefore safe. It is important that you understand that treatments tend not to be very effective and that the aim is to support you in functioning as well as possible."

"Neuropathic pain is a type of chronic pain associated with injury to nerves or the nervous system. Types of neuropathic pain include, sciatica following disc prolapse, nerve injury following spinal surgery, pain after infection such as shingles or HIV/AIDS, pain associated with diabetes, pain after amputation (phantom limb pain or stump pain) and pain associated with multiple sclerosis or stroke. Neuropathic pain is usually severe and unpleasant. Medicines may be used to treat neuropathic pain but are usually not very effective and work for a small proportion of people. You may not benefit from the first drug tried so you may need to try more than one drug to try and improve symptoms."

I get the feeling that you're not aware of the scale of over-prescribing in the US. The US prescribes hugely more opioids than other countries. For example, for a while the US was using 99% of the world supply of hydrocodone.

The US could correctly treat the small number of people who'd get benefit from occasionaly tightly controlled opioid prescribing while also massively reducing the total number of opioidprescriptions.

And for anxiety the story is similar. The evidence for efficacy of benzos isn't great.

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg113/chapter/Key-prioritie...

You need a stepped approach:

individual non-facilited self help

individual guided self help

psycho-educational groups (for one example see Recovery Colleges https://www.health.org.uk/recovery-college

If these don't work you offer a high intensity psychological intervention, or a medication.

Notice that for medication they say "Do not offer a benzodiazepine for the treatment of GAD in primary or secondary care except as a short-term measure during crises. Follow the advice in the 'British national formulary' on the use of a benzodiazepine in this context."

Every time the patient collects their benzos from the pharmacy there will be a patient information leaflet. Here's an example for diazepam: https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/18061

I get the feeling that benzos are far more readily prescribed in the US, and for long times.