[gcb0]

that is the accepted definition of State. a State can arm a faction (police, army, etc), and have the freedom to decide how to use it (removing you from some place, keeping you at another place, invading another State, etc). a corporation and citizens can't. hence a monopoly on violence.

[User23]

And like many social science "theories" it's entirely incongruous with reality. One counter-example suffices to disprove a universal claim.

The United States is that exception, because our constitution explicitly recognizes, not grants, our right to arm ourselves independently of the State (or States really), only with some regulation permitted.

The actual definition of State can easily be found in the dictionary: "a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government."

[kl4m]

A monopoly on violence, not guns. The U.S. constitution does not empower you to incarcerate your neighbor.

[User23]

Actually US citizens can legally perform arrests, we just don't have the same legal presumptions that peace officers do.

Also it's obviously implied that the right to bear arms includes the right to use them under at least some circumstances. It would just be as ludicrous as saying freedom of the press only covers your right to own a press in your house or business and not your right to print things with it.

[rosser]

> Actually US citizens can legally perform arrests...

And in doing so, they are acting as self-deputized agents of the state. They're temporarily "arming" themselves with the state's power to use violence in furtherance of its (legitimate) interests in enforcing its laws. They could not legally do that without the state's sanction.

EDIT: Some countries don't even limit the power of "citizen's arrest" to their own citizens. The UK's relevant statute specifically says "any person", emphasis added, may act thusly.

[User23]

The rights that citizens protect with violence don’t generally require the state’s authority. I don’t need a law to give me the right to use force to defend myself and my property, that right is naturally mine. It is however very nice that the state’s laws generally respect those natural rights. Now the state can use citizens to enforce its laws irrespective of rights, that’s called conscription, as in for example a sheriff’s posse.