[quietbritishjim]

Surely you just means "ops"? I thought the point of someone being "DevOps" is that the developer also does operations, so it would be their own problem. I wonder if that word has become so diluted that its lost the reason that it came into existence in the first place.

[rmwaite]

Devops is more about dev working with ops and vice versa instead of siloing. That necessarily ends with some crossover of skills but it isn’t strictly necessary

[Pokepokalypse]

During my brief time in Devops, I have learned that; if you're getting paged at 3am from your server being DDoS-ed, you're not going to be very effective as a developer . . .

Yes: it helps the developer to learn to code much more defensively - which is a very good thing. But then, that developer has no time to code. Defensively, or otherwise.

(depending on the environment, and management's willingness to invest in infrastructure - yeah, you can really get bogged down in this stuff).