[whatshisface]

Can anyone be specific about what diversity, exactly, gender involves? Will the list sound like anything other than a list of stereotypes? Which perspective is it that one gender has but the other doesn't? I doubt anybody is thinking about tetrachromacy...

[bArray]

It's completely arbitrary.

(Generalization of the vocal people in this area.) Their line of thinking is: "only people from those specific backgrounds can cater for their own groups tastes". And there's evidence for this, you have these people getting mad that an actor playing a gay person isn't gay and a trans person not trans.

It's almost as if the narrative is that empathy is dead, no person could possibly ever think about anything other than themselves. Somebody who thinks this would appear to lack personal experience of empathy, draw your own conclusions.

[BadassFractal]

> It's almost as if the narrative is that empathy is dead, no person could possibly ever think about anything other than themselves. Somebody who thinks this would appear to lack personal experience of empathy, draw your own conclusions.

Probably an accurate reflection of the people who are proposing that world view.

[DoreenMichele]

The first female senator to give birth in office needed the rules changed so she could breastfeed her baby at work and still do her job. Historically, no family members were allowed on the Senate floor. Until a woman gave birth as a senator, this was not an issue.

Some years ago, a Jewish person on a professional forum told an anecdote about some group trying to do outreach to the Jewish community and scheduling their first meeting on the night of some really major Jewish holiday, a holiday so big he compared it to Christmas. Unsurprisingly, no Jews attended this meeting.

When I worked at Aflac, they always said "We hire everyone because we sell to everyone." If you don't have any members of certain demographics on your team, there will be things that just never occur to you that you may never learn you needed to know if you wanted to genuinely serve such people.

[jbob2000]

As a developer, my requirements are handed down to me from business. I have a small amount of power to suggest improvements, but largely, the design of the system isn't handled by me; I just implement it.

I'd agree that having different perspectives in the idea phase is very important, but when it comes to implementation, diversity doesn't matter at all. Get the data from database, stick it in the views. It's pure technical ability at this phase.

[FiatLuxDave]

I used to work with an engineer who felt the same way. At one point, I was asked by management to help him out because a product release had fallen behind by nearly a year. He was working very diligently to implement a nearly impossible specification (300+ hour battery life with a standard 9V), and was trying all kinds of sleep modes and stuff. I asked him what was the need which was driving the 300 hour lifetime and making him do so much work. He said, "I'm an engineer. It's my job to make the design meet the requirements."

I went and talked to the customers and other stakeholders, and found out that 300 hours was actually a nice-to-have. 48 hours with some margin was absolutely necessary, and 100 hours was better than equivalent devices on the market. We got buy-in to change the requirements and released the next week with a 100 hour lifetime.

Just an idea what a different perspective can bring.

[jbob2000]

Or perhaps your different perspective convinced him to stop work on what would have been an amazing development?

I'm just responding to your anecdote and I do agree that different perspectives are valuable. My point above was just that there are many, many places to include diversity and the hyper-focus on the implementation phase (aka development) means you will miss the more valuable lifecycle phases where diversity has much more impact.

[whatshisface]

This would seem to support the claim that none of the perspectives that would matter to an engineer are gender-specific.

[kiliantics]

Non-men are treated very differently by society and therefore they have different experiences to men. These tend to lead to different perspectives, skills, etc.