[corradio]

Hi @trzeci,

Author of the electricityMap here. The point of the app is to display how much CO2 is emitted when you consume from your power plug (hence the consumption point of view, and hence why we emphasise intensity and not volume). We're trying to give people an idea of when it is the best time to consume electricity, and what strategies are best to decarbonise rapidly.

Total volumes are also interesting (the climate cares about total volumes), but if you want to look at strategies you have to look at per kWh values (coal in a small volume is still a bad strategy).

- Olivier

[dagss]

Isn't per capita the best measure?

Someone going from pure electric heating to heat pump for instance, thus reducing electricity usage for same utility, that should count as greener

[aurelwu]

I'm a bit confused with estonia, from all what I know - Oil is "cleaner" than lignite, why is the value so high for Estonia? just as one example showing emissons of oil vs coal: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d666/1a01ee6a54f86fad283e46...

[alephnil]

Estonia's oil is not normal petroleum, but surface mined oil shale. It is just as bad or worse than Alberta's tar sand in that regard.

[toomuchtodo]

Are there any efforts in Estonia to move to renewables from their petrol fired generation?

[corradio]

See https://github.com/tmrowco/electricitymap-contrib/blob/maste...

- Olivier

[aurelwu]

I think using a 10 years old figure if the same table shows that there are reductions to be expected is not perfect.

https://envir.ee/sites/default/files/kpp_energiajulgeoleku_u...

has 1170g/kwh as value. While it might also not the "right" value it probably is closer to reality.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the page and what you did and being myself tangentially involved with the european energy market I know how hard it is to get good values for all the different countries as emissions differ on a per powerplant basis even with same fuel type and even when all the specs are identical because their load profiles are different.

[corradio]

You are completely right. We are trying to get some funding to start an initiative to update emission factors per country. This is important.

- Olivier

[karlerss]

The high CO2 emission comes from the mineral content of the oil shale. Since the oil shale has to be heated to 1100C, the emissions include a significant amount of CO2 from CaCO3 → CaO + CO2.

[spenrose]

Hi Olivier!

I love that you want to help people understand carbon consumption. Some points:

1. Volume, not intensity, warms the globe. 2. If you have "no data available" for China, Saudi Arabia, Texas, ... you are missing a plurality of emissions. 3. As I write just after sunrise in California, it shows reddish. California is also, at the decade scale (the scale that matters) a leader in de-carbonizing.

You are measuring the wrong things and showing them in the wrong way to achieve your worthy purpose. I believe you should start over.

Respectfully, Sam