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by stockerta 2866 days ago
Lazar, who was a minister back then went out to Vienna and made a video that said the city is flooded with migrants, it isn't safe and Budapest is much better, safer and such. Oh, also he didn't feel safe in it too.
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I see. I have a female friend in Vienna, she's said similar stuff to me. Things are getting bad there.
Funny how it's just become the first european city to top the economist liveability index.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45174600

The migrants are very satisfied, thank you.
nhanq is a one day old account posting fake news. Let's hope that the trolls don't take hold here on HN too.

There are many valid criticisms of these kind of surveys, but crime, which is the hook that the anti-migrant posters like to use, is one of the criteria - so the idea that "It's getting bad there" is the one that needs rapid rebuttal.

> Let's hope that the trolls don't take hold here on HN too.

They're already here. If you step back you can see how they've shifted discussion in a lot of threads with young or barely active accounts.

Don't worry, we don't have to rely on experiences from Vienna. It is obvious in NL too.
I live very close to Vienna, visit often, and things are perfectly fine. Safer than any US city I've been to.
That's not saying much.

In the 2000s, Glasgow was known as one of the most violent cities in Europe. The average homicide rate from 2000 to 2002 was 62.9 per million people.[1] The homicide rate for San Francisco in 2014 was 45 per 100k people.[2]

Glasgow at its worst was comparable to Oklahoma or Indiana today.[3] Compared to Europe, the US just isn't safe.

(Homicide rates aren't a perfect metric, especially for comparisons over large periods of time, since social decline can be masked by medical advances. But they're good enough for back-of-the-envelope comparisons of similar areas.)

[1] https://www.gov.scot/Publications/2005/12/13133031/30384

[2] http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-San-Francisco-Californi...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicid...

The US is a very, very low bar to clear. Things here in Europe are getting worse every year. Of course, not getting-shot-by-a-gang bad, but bad. They are not horribly bad, but they don't have to be this bad.
Sorry to hear about your friend's racism. I hope she gets well soon.