[flukus]

> for example, lady liberty was supposed to be semi-submerged by now, and the north pole was supposed to be completely free of ice by 2013

Where is they citation of Al Gore claiming the arctic will be ice free? Everything in that source is prefaced with terms like "could Be" and "as soon as", which you seem to be interpreting as a complete certainty. If I said I had cancer and could die as early 2018 then I wouldn't be wrong on New Years day 2019.

Where's the citation of the Statue of Liberty being underwater? Even with an ice free arctic this wouldn't happen.

[microcolonel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsioIw4bvzI This is a more recent (2009) version of his spiel, I remember him equivocating less about this in an earlier speech which I have trouble finding. Here he equivocates that "some of the models suggest to Mr. Maslowski that there is a 75% chance that north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years".

> Where's the citation of the Statue of Liberty being underwater?

The Statue of Liberty thing I actually don't remember the source of. I remember it as a clip in a climate documentary where the statue of liberty is visualized as being about a quarter submerged (note I said "semi-submerged", not "underwater", funny how the broken telephone works even when you can presumably see everything on screen at once).