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by guessthejuice 2873 days ago
> What part do climate change deniers deny?

It's two fold issue. People question the level to which human activity contributes to climate and they question the remedy to it.

Obviously climate change has always happened. It happened before human existence, climate change occurred throughout human history and climate change will happen after humans aren't around. Nobody is denying climate change. Climate change denier is actually a propaganda term invented by one group to attack another. Similar to christ-denier and other "denier" attacks. I prefer the neutral terms "climate change proponent and opponent".

One of the major pushback against the human created climate change is that we were in an little ice age until the 19th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2000_Year_Temperature_Com...

Climate change opponents say the warming is a result of the natural end to the ice age cycle as has happened for hundreds of thousands of years.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature....

As you see, temperatures have declined and risen for hundreds of thousands of years ( with negligent human input ). So climate change opponents claim that the current climate change is just part of the climate's natural cycle.

Climate change proponents claim that the current warming is a result of human activity ( particularly fossil fuel based industrialization ). After all, we started using oil in the mid 1800s and temperatures started to rise since then. To climate change proponents, that's too much of a coincidence and they believe humans triggered the warming with fossil fuel use.

The second part is the remedy to climate change. Climate change proponents believe it is a "tragedy of commons" problem and we need a global system to manage the problem. Their solution is a global carbon tax system which manages and controls fossil fuel use and the global economy. Climate change opponents are against the globalist policies of climate change since it infringes on national sovereignty and gives too much power to a small group of globalists who can profit by trading on carbon credits/taxes/etc ( essentially another product for traders to gamble on ).

I'm sure I'll be attacked by both sides but this is essentially the core issues of the climate change debate. Is it a natural cycle vs human created? Is the remedy worse than the disease?

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The rate of increase far exceeds what could be accounted for by the natural cycle, so there's no legitimate question for anyone both informed and intellectually honest about the subject about whether climate change is anthropogenic.
> Is the remedy worse than the disease?

Depends on where you live. In some places the entire way of life will be destroyed through drought or rising sea levels. In some places your gas may be a bit more expensive.