Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by astebbin 2867 days ago
The one-child policy also resulted in the worst gender imbalance in the world, which "could lead to instability as more men remain unmarried, raising the risks of anti-social and violent behavior."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/china-says-its-ge...

5 comments

China's gender imbalance is only marginally worse than India's. The one-child policy may have been a contributory factor, but the fundamental problem is a deep-seated cultural preference for boys. You can't change that unless you're willing to talk honestly about the dangers of gender imbalance. In that sense, China's dire prognostications are a sign of progress.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...

> the fundamental problem is a deep-seated cultural preference for boys

Not simply a cultural preference but a rational economic one as the odds a man will earn more than women has quite the better odds, and given their circumstances (and motivation to improve them) people are willing to compromise on the matter. Which is not simply the result of some conspiratorial patriarchal cultural phenomenon (although I'm sure that plays a role as it has elsewhere) but rather something amplified in developing countries where low tech labour and farm jobs are more common than knowledge/service work, favouring the physical attributes of men.

Also no dowry needed for male children.
in countries with so many men and so few women, I imagine that will switch
Actually in China the tradition is that the groom gives money to the family of the bride
Might not be true, check out the book factory girls. Men stay on the farm and do not earn, woman to the city and make way more.
That doesn't change this equation. China no longer needs the one child policy likewise the benefits of male offspring have diminished because the developing country has moved away from largely labour/farm jobs to mechanized factories and various supporting industries in urban environments where brute strength is no longer the deciding favour.

The changing economic incentives will address the gender inbalances faster than some government child policy or cultural/ideological shift...

A neat gender balance would be better for the people involved than an insanely skewed gender balance that favours men.

That being said, one could substitute China -> America and, gender -> wealth, unmarried -> jobless, and I think the accusation would be similar. I've had Americans seriously tell me that the country is on the brink of civil war, which seems about as bad as anything that could come from China's gender imbalance. I'd link that to economic problems, it is the explanation that makes the most sense to me.

Basically, there is a real concern; but I'm not sure it is an /unacceptable/ outcome of the One Child Policy. It might just be an outcome. The OCP can easily be cast as a policy of courage and prudence; overpopulation carries a real threat of starvation and collapse if it overshoots what the local resources can support.

> I've had Americans seriously tell me that the country is on the brink of civil war

It's probably not a good idea to make value judgments based on the predictions of people obsessed with hysterical political news sources by companies who have make a living selling the public a worldview divided on stark black/white us vs them tribal lines. Where every minor bit of inane news coming out of Washington is blown up into big stories to fuel some grand political drama that never ends.

Meanwhile the world IRL for the vast majority has hardly changed at all in any significant way.

I don't know what America has to do with anything, but China's income inequality is also worse than America's, so there's that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_eq...

Ah, sorry, should have linked my source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_distribut...

Wealth, not income. Although I do now see the data is 2000 era, so the situation might be different now. China was a very equal country by wealth back then, though.

For China, the difference between 2000 and 2018 is huge. In everything.
Funny story: when my wife and I went in for our first ultra sound in Beijing, the technician wasn’t allowed to tell us the sex of the baby but covertly pointed out the obvious boy marker so that we didn’t really have a doubt.
India has a gender imbalance, and no one-child policy.

The problem is a social preference for sons over daughters.

What should happen is that the families of women are given money and houses by their daughter's husbands. Then girls will be seen as more of an investment than boys, and more families - particularly poor ones - will selectively abort males instead of females. Already this is playing out in China.

Unfortunately this also becomes a problem in the West, because migrants from countries like India are predominantly male, and Indian mothers are still selectively aborting females even when they move to countries like the UK.

All it will take is a couple of wars to restore the balance. That's how it has always been historically.