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by pjc50 2870 days ago
The modern alternative is probably Syncthing.

I intermittently maintain a list of these things at https://github.com/pjc50/pjc50.github.io/blob/master/secure-... ; none of them have ever been precisely what I wanted. The cheap alternative to Dropbox with Linux support you want was "Hubic" from OVH (edit: now discontinued)

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How about Keybase? It has a pretty seamless files experience, I find. Open source, end-to-end encryption, Windows client, painless sync, free for 250GB...
Completely agree. I'm not sure why someone would choose Dropbox over Keybase nowadays.
Continuity? I mean, does Keybase have a business model yet? Or is it still "$bigshot_vc who is friends with the CEO believes a few crypto/security gambles are in order"?

Not meant critically, I love that they exist and found funding. It's just, as long as the model is "once the privacy shit hits the fan in some widely published scandal, we'll be the one that's ahead" there's only two outcomes: 1. It doesn't happen soon enough and Keybase runs out of runway, or 2. It happens, one of the many Keybase products becomes wildly popular because of it, and Keybase will ditch the others because "yada yada focus core business".

My understanding is they are focused on user growth and improving the UX right now. Also, I believe they could be sustainable without being as widely popular as dropbox. IIRC eventually they will have a paid tier for their kbfs solution. I know I would certainly pay. For me Keybase is a one stop shop: identity management, individual and team chat, encrypted git repos, and secure file sharing all on a cross-platform system. No one really offers the service they do.
Stores your private keys, though.
Well, according to this, they can't read your data.

"These folders are encrypted using only your device-specific keys and mine.

The Keybase servers do not have private keys that can read this data. Nor can they inject any public keys into this process, to trick you into encrypting for extra parties. Your and my key additions and removals are signed by us into a public merkle tree, which in turn is hashed into the Bitcoin block chain to prevent a forking attack. Here's a screenshot of my 7 device keys and 9 public identities, and how they're all related."

https://keybase.io/docs/kbfs

> The cheap alternative to Dropbox with Linux support you want is may be "Hubic" from OVH.

Hubic has been discontinued recently as a non-core business to OVH[1].

[1] https://www.ovh.co.uk/subscriptions-hubic-ended/

But where would you sync to? Dropbox also keeps a copy of your files which makes it attractive without the need to set up configure your home nas.

Although it's arguably a more intelligent decission to share private files not with a company like dropbox.

> But where would you sync to?

You sync across your devices (or anything where you can run a standalone binary). Phone, PC, server, whatever. It's pretty good and very stable when your packager doesn't fuck up the service file (https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/net/syncthing/files/sy...).

> without the need to set up configure your home nas

That's only needed if you need access to your files from the outside world (which is probably a bad idea). For instance, my ~/Documents are syncthing-only, not available through my Nextcloud instance. Can't access my payslip from last year on my phone. Can't have it stolen through that channel either!

On my "ideal" requirements list is the ability to sync, encrypted, to a standard cloud backend as well. https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing/issues/2647
Then use git-annex, which has had that for years :)
Apparently git-annex won't let you store a git repo in it? http://git-annex.branchable.com/forum/Storing_git_repos_in_g...

(Sure, "don't do that then", but I'd rather not have to remember to not do that)

Similar to the Mac backup software Arq, just give me a list of object stores I can point to (Backblaze would be my first pick). Although, for my purposes, I think iCloud Files is going to turn into most of what I need from Dropbox fast enough that'll be where I move to.
For whatever reason, no other service does binary delta uploads like Dropbox, including Google drive. No other service takes advantage of the local network when syncing multiple PC's on the same LAN.