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by vorg 2873 days ago
> You just can't break backwards compatibility. This was a big mistake Python 3 made.

At least Python's backers had the guts to release a breaking version 3, unlike some other dynamic languages, specifically Ruby and Apache Groovy. Ruby's backers have tentatively slated 2020 for a (MRI) Ruby 3 release after two more Ruby 2.x versions. As for Groovy, 2 months ago its backers canceled its version 2.6 release which was to backport the planned features of Groovy 3 into a JDK 7 compatible release. Looks like we won't be seeing version 3 of either language anytime soon.
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dragonwriter 2873 days ago
> At least Python's backers had the guts to release a breaking version 3, unlike some other dynamic languages, specifically Ruby and Apache Groovy.

The backward-compatibility breaking Ruby release often held up as a parallel to Python 3—Ruby 1.9—was released December 25, 2007, about a year before Python 3.

If Python had as much guts as Ruby in this area we'd be seeing a backward-compatibility breaking Python 4 around 2021.

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kamaal 2872 days ago
>>At least Python's backers had the guts to release a breaking version 3,

If you have to absolutely must break backwards compatibility. Break it once, and never again, in a way you fix your language permanently. Like Perl 6.

Python broke backwards compatibility for a print statement.

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pjmlp 2872 days ago
Gradle is the only thing holding Groovy alive, beyond maintenance projects.

I remember attending JSF Days in 2009 and how we would be all writing Groovy JEE Beans in the near future, show in different ways across a few sessions, and here we are.

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vorg 2872 days ago
... and Android Studio could be the only thing keeping Gradle alive, beyond 20-liner build scripts. When Google finally releases Fuchsia, it will virtually replace Android's market share within 2-3 yrs. Because Flutter uses Dart for building apps, it'll probably go with Dart for specifying build scripts as well. Although one of the Apache Groovy PMC is probably busy politicking inside Google to get them to use Gradle for Flutter, hopefully that team won't repeat Android's mistake. Otherwise the 3rd-party app market for Fuchsia will be stillborn.
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pjmlp 2872 days ago
Yep, if it wasn't for Google having the silly idea of adopting Gradle, I would never bothered to learn it.

I don't suffer from XML allergy and am pretty fine with Maven in what concerns Maven projects.

Actually I was pretty happy with Eclipse + Ant + ndk-build as well.

To this day the NDK already went through a couple of Gradle build variations and it still doesn't support NDK libraries across NDK projects, as AAR only support binary libs for Java apps.

I follow Fuchsia with attention, but it might end up just as Brillo.

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