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by kamaal 2871 days ago
Im not talking about the existing projects.

Either way, if it comes to a point where you have to pay for something like using a programming language. Pay whatever you have to now. But start moving to something other tech over time.

And yeah, don't start new projects in Java.
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BjoernKW 2871 days ago
You don’t have to pay for using Java. You have to pay for continued support for a specific Java version.

You can even continue using JDK 8 for free indefinitely. Just don’t expect any future updates from Oracle, security or otherwise.

If you absolutely have to use JDK 8 another option is OpenJDK, which unlike Oracle’s JDK probably will continue receiving updates even for version 8.

I also don’t see why one shouldn’t use Java for new projects. With its huge ecosystem and modern toolsets such as Spring Boot Java is a highly viable option for developing new applications.

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kamaal 2871 days ago
Signaling is everything here. Once you've announced that you are going to charge for something like this, you've also in a way announced you could charge for other things as well.

At that point, you are just better off using something else to insulate you from things like these.

>>Just don’t expect any future updates from Oracle, security or otherwise.

That's a very big problem for most shops.

>>With its huge ecosystem and modern toolsets such as Spring Boot Java is a highly viable option for developing new applications.

Spring Boot isn't a configuration less framework. Its basically a only one configuration works framework, change something small and nothing works. Also code comes out so unmaintainable no one apart from the original authors generally understands anything about it.

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BjoernKW 2871 days ago
Your last statement simply isn’t true. I’ve been using Spring Boot for years in a variety of configurations and it works absolutely fine.
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not_kurt_godel 2870 days ago
As long as we're going with anecdata, I'll add that in my experience Spring is a goddamn nightmare. I've spent X too many times in dependency hell with it and have vowed to never voluntarily use it again.
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BjoernKW 2870 days ago
That’s exactly the point of Spring Boot. It makes an opinionated choice of libraries that work well together so you don’t have to.
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