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by scoti
2881 days ago
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I agree with your general sentiment overall. I do not agree that neural networks are a "black box" with "no ability to inspect and verify". Even putting aside the many methods to understand what a neural network is doing without running it, at core, neural networks are well tested instruments. That's how they learn-- by testing themselves. Obviously it's possible for a neural network to have odd behavior in circumstances not accounted for but that was always going to be possible at the level of complexity we're talking about here. We're talking about cutting edge technology here -- and I agree with your general sentiment. I just don't agree with pinning the blame on "... based on neural networks". The same factors would apply to any codebase of this complexity. |
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Name three :).
> neural networks are well tested instruments. That's how they learn-- by testing themselves.
Last I checked, neural networks are well-tested in a sense that if you throw a big database and a shit ton of compute at them, they'll learn to accurately work within that database. Step out of it, and all bets are off. We're better at this than we were 30 years ago - good enough to apply this technology to consumer-level products in which mistakes don't really matter. I'd be wary of applying even current neural networks to safety-critical tasks.
> Obviously it's possible for a neural network to have odd behavior in circumstances not accounted for but that was always going to be possible at the level of complexity we're talking about here.
The problem is that with NNs, the odd behavior is usually totally unexpected, and you can't really inspect the network beforehand to discover the possible ranges of error-generating inputs. Everything works fine but every now and then you get a patterned sofa classified as a zebra, or a car + little noise classified as a toaster. And then there's no obvious relation between multiple misclassifications, because the reasoning structure of the neural network is implicitly encoded in its weights.
> The same factors would apply to any codebase of this complexity.
I think there's a fundamental qualitative difference here. A codebase can be complex, but ultimately it has a structure, and usually (in case of ML) represents a well-understood mathematical structure. Neural networks have simple code, and the whole complexity is hidden in opaque matrices of numbers, where even single changes usually have global effects.
I'm not trying to dismiss NNs in general; I just don't trust them in applications where health and safety is at stake.