[KyeRussell]

I understand that it's played out (both as a general discussion, and as replies to your post) but PHP's shortcomings as a language are so blatant when working with any other okay general purpose language.

Community also goes a long way. Back when I dealt in PHP (+whatever framework) and switched to Django, the average competence of people I interacted with in conversations regarding the language / frameworks jumped up considerably. I like standing on the shoulders of giants.