[ameister14]

I don't believe I did. It's not a conspiracy to point out that if the press is doing their job now by investigating things, they were not doing their job for years previously. If you don't do what you're supposed to for years, then suddenly change, is it a conspiracy to think that something caused that change?

It's not crazy to point out that the press hates Donald Trump, and that Donald Trump loves Elon Musk. It's also not crazy to point out that there's a general cooling of the public's feeling towards tech, and that journalists, particularly hacks, just go where the wind is blowing. It's not due to them suddenly doing their jobs, and it doesn't make them anymore correct now than they were six months ago. Elon Musk is now an easier target, that's all, and he's done them a service by provoking them at the same time.

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[ameister14]

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[topmonk]

Sure, easy:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-per...

https://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2017/12/20...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/31/trump-bet...

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2017-12-21/donald-tr...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwhalen/2018/05/05/if-not-fo...

[ameister14]

You're right, you found them. Two of those were written by PR consultants, all of them are opinion pieces, and one was written by a republican speechwriter. How about something written by a person on staff as a writer representing a journalistic organization? You know, like these:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-perspec-z...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/trump-tweet-putin/in...

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/pu...

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-worst-moment-...

https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-worst-week-yet-will-...

[topmonk]

No true Scotsman, eh? I didn't know the author mattered, but now it does. What's next? Written at the wrong time? Then at the wrong place? Not long enough? Too obscure? Sigh... I'm done with your treasure hunt.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I feel rather dirty and I need to go take a shower.

[ameister14]

Not really no true Scotsman. Opinions are sent in by people to be published in a part of the newspaper that is not actually affiliated with the newspaper's staff, and Forbes is famous for selling article space to PR.

It's not changing the goalposts to point out that these are not journalists, and they themselves would not call themselves journalists.

Using the true scotsman example, this is more like you brought me an example of a welsh person in Scotland.

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Considering there's no evidence whatsoever to back up your second paragraph, yes, it is crazy to point it out.

[ameister14]

No evidence that hacks go where the wind is blowing? That's just the history of journalism.

No evidence for the press hating Trump? Have you been alive for the past year and a half? Multiple journalists have compared him to Hitler and Stalin. I don't remember that happening before. It's understandable and clearly mutual in this case, though - check out how many places talk about his 'war on the press.'

No evidence for people souring on tech? Maybe you haven't been seeing the same things I have, but the narrative went from 'criminals are using facebook to target grandma' to 'facebook is criminal and rigging elections, and your apps might be too.' There's a reason for this and it's pretty justified, but it should really have happened years ago, when every startup was collecting every bit of data it could without any protection or thought to what they would use it for.

When tech started dominating the S&P 500, it went from being the land of outsiders and upstarts to the new robber barons. Check out how many articles talk about a new gilded age now.

No evidence for Musk provoking journalists? Just look at his twitter.