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by lomnakkus 2888 days ago
(I can only apologize if the quoting gets weird. The side-notes on the right-hand side of your site got interspersed weirdly into the main text by copy/paste. I think I've managed to separate them properly, but if not... please forgive me.)

> We're watching the entire meaning infrastructure in this country be destroyed. >

Ok, so we're clearly in a very US-centric context here.

> 1.Religion is going away.

> [Sidebar:] As an atheist I think there is a lot of good that comes from discarding religion, but as a humble realist I also need to acknowledge the downsides.

What downsides? Please state them explicitly. (I could read this as a conceit to the general political climate in the US where atheists seems to be viewed unfavorably by the majority.)

> 2. Most people will not have a good job or a good paycheck.

Clearly some type of Basic Income type system will eventually become necessary as more and more things are automated. That, or we figure out what purpose the concept of money actually serves and come up with a better implementation.

> > 3. Being a homemaker is no longer considered meaningful for a lot of parents.

I don't understand how you can claim that this is "destroying meaning"?

Let me ask a pointed question: Who do you envision as being the homemaker -- the wife or the husband?

> > So where is the meaning coming from?

I get the feeling that either I'm completely missing the point of what you're writing, or you're writing from a pretty "conservative" position.

(EDIT: HN is really absurdly shit at quoting others. I'd apologize for my bad formatting, but I really don't understand how this shoddiness is acceptable in any world. Anyway, I did my best and will probably proceed to try to delete my account at this point.)

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> Let me ask a pointed question: Who do you envision as being the homemaker -- the wife or the husband?

This feels like a tacit question.

To answer the way you painted it: it doesn’t have to be either.

The role is eroding because the expectation is, that regardless of gender both partners in a relationship need to be working.

This is to facilitate the rising cost of a raising family in large city environments.

In the context of the US and "the way things used to be", if would have to be the wife. Btw, it doesn't really matter which one it is -- the point was that it's asymmetrical.

> The role is eroding because the expectation is, that regardless of gender both partners in a relationship need to be working.

Why would both partners working be a problem in the first place? What about socialized (gasp!) child care?

Obviously, you'll want both parents to be spending as much time as possible with their children, but the underlying problem here seems to be... money. If there were less pressure to earn then maybe both parents could change to a 3-4 days work-week, etc. etc.

(EDIT: I'll actually add a counter-point to my own assertion here. It may not actually be the case that spending more time with one's children is always better. There may be a Goldilocks zone.)

> This is to facilitate the rising cost of a raising family in large city environments.

I think I understand the symptom. Cost means money.

Obviously, things will have to change on a massive scale for "my" conception of the future to be feasible everywhere, but I still understand what this has to do with meaning (as your original blog post was about).

My blog post?

Sorry. I cannot claim credit for the author.

I’m not sure why you’re mentioning women historically being keepers of the house It’s not relevant to the topic, people in general don’t value that role anymore.

Should they value the role? I’m not sure, it has historically been a thankless task, probably soul crushing too. Having cleaning services and cooks would be better but I’m not sure if it would scale.

Oh, I'm sorry, I misread. Your nyms both start with 'd' and... that's about the end of my excuses for that mistake.

> I’m not sure why you’re mentioning women historically being keepers of the house It’s not relevant to the topic, people in general don’t value that role anymore.

My point was in the asymmetry -- so I found it odd that the blog author (not you!) would point to this as somehow being evidence of "loss of meaning".