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by vladgiverts 2882 days ago
The saying “all models are wrong, some models are useful” seems appropriate here. The interviewee is arguing against both the correctness and usefulness of “sub-conscious thought” as a model for the human mind. But he seems to conflate the two arguments. It sounded to me like he was saying: “Here are all the ways that the sub-conscious thought is wrong and confusing, so it must not be useful either!”

He talks about motor neurons and sensory processing as an unconscious brain process, which is so different from what we consider “thought” that it doesn’t make sense to call them unconscious thought. He then goes on to rail against Jung and Freud and psychology in general. But that’s a straw-man. Based on my limited knowledge, I don’t Freud et al were talking about the mechanical brain processes when they wrote about the unconscious mind. Instead, they were talking about things like the self-images and expectations that we hold at any given moment.

Like, if I hold a very low opinion of myself (like I did for most of my life) I might feel awkward and insecure around girls or certain social situations. The unconscious belief in those moments was that there was something inherently wrong with me (I was unloveable, of little value, etc). Ten years ago if you had asked me I would have told you I was amazing. I probably believed it at conscious level. But given my levels of anxiety back then, it certainly wasn’t true. It’s only now after some inner exploration that I am able to see and realize this.

Is it fair to call that unconscious or subconscious if these beliefs were there all along I wasn’t aware of them? I personal find that a useful model and I think that’s what psychologists have in mind when they use those words.

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I think the utility of the strict hierarchy conscious over subconscious is what is criticized. In its place, the notion that multiple competing narratives is being argued for. Which narrative is winning is then the content of conscious thought.

(cribbed from Daniel Dennett’s work, but fits with modern neuroscience IMO)

If you think the world is flat, then the world is flat. But from the depths our spiritual life stirs.
> It’s only now after some inner exploration that I am able to see and realize this.

How did you learn to do the inner exploration?

It’s a long story with a lot of nuance. To keep it short, most of my formal learning came from studying Integral Coaching at New Ventures West[1] and later participating in a Ridhwan[2] group. Both gave me a certain amount of healing and led me to insights into myself.

[1]:https://www.newventureswest.com [2]:https://www.diamondapproach.org