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by WalterBright 2891 days ago
Oddly, I've never heard any stories of people standing up to Jobs. They just stand there and take it. What was the worst he or any boss could do? Fire you? So what. Quitting is not your only option.
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There are plenty. Two that are often cited is bringing iTunes to Windows.

https://www.cultofmac.com/507493/apple-history-itunes-window...

And Forstall convincing Jobs to add the Carbon API to OS X.

What I was thinking was more along the lines of "Steve, don't talk to me that way." That's different from getting him to change his mind.
Jony Ive did and the answer, while surprising, contains a grain of truth.

https://www.cultofmac.com/299383/steve-jobs-called-jony-ive-...

I don't see it in the text of the article. Can you quote what you specifically are talking about?
I remember having a conversation with [Steve] and I was asking why it could have been perceived that in his critique of a piece of work he was a little harsh. We’d been working on this [project] and we’d put our heart and soul into this, and I was saying, ‘Couldn’t we … moderate the things we said?’

And he said, ‘Why?’ and I said, ‘ Because I care about the team.’ And he said this brutally, brilliantly insightful thing, which was, ’No Jony, you’re just really vain.’ He said, ‘You just want people to like you, and I’m surprised at you because I thought you really held the work up as the most important, not how you believed you were perceived by other people.’

I was terribly cross, because I knew he was right.”

- End of the first paragraph, Jony Ive says to be nicer. - Next paragraph Steve shuts him down.

edited for formatting.

Looks like Jony caved, because Steve's rude remark was "brilliant".

I don't see that as standing up to Steve at all - just the opposite. Jony justifies Steve's rude behavior.

What about when Burrell Smith was going to quit by urinating on Jobs' desk?

https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&stor...

Steve challenged him. Burrell caved and walked out instead of standing up.
Standing up to Jobs happened all the time. But if you were going to do it, you had better have brought your A game.